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Ok, you guys are asking a good question, meaning will either the 460 or Windsor brackets from a van work. I guess that means another trip to the salvage(s), but maybe I'll get lucky and find something that works better.
HOWEVER, there's the issue of the AC bracket. I like the compressor to be mounted low, not high like the Windsor bracket mounts it. So I want to use the bracket that came with this truck, assuming there isn't one that mounts lower. Here's a shot of the compressor I want to use mounted on one of those brackets: Well, the icons aren't working nor are the emoticons or I'd put a really frustrated face right HERE. Instead, here's the link to the pic and I'll pick it up later when things work again.
Aha, I hadn't realized how that bracket worked until I saw the picture. I see now the compressor actually mounts "sideways" sort of.
Here is a picture showing how high my FS10 sits. The compressor is a tad higher than the valve covers (admittedly they are tall valve covers) but below the level of the oil fill cap. I mentioned before the compressor may interfere with my dual-snorkel plans - it is actually the lines running off the back of it that I fear may be the biggest obstruction, rather than the compressor itself. I don't have the lines yet made so I don't know. The other thing I have discovered on the driver's side is that I can't find snorkel tube long enough to reach the core support, so it may be a moot point anyway.
Anyhow, for your build, I guess a bird in hand is worth two in the bush. If what you have works, then you are set. If someday you come across a bracket in a yard and want to slap it together to see how it works, then you could. But if not, you still should be set.
Jim - You really think I'd run the wire through that hole w/o a grommet?
Actually, that is a shot from Classic Auto Air's site. But that is exactly like my brackets, both the bottom one that you can see below the compressor, and the top one off to the left. So, it is no wonder you can't see the Saginaw pump.
And, I knew I could paste the tags, but figured I'd come back when they stop working on it for the night and fix it. But, thanks.
Luke - Your compressor is higher and further outboard than I want mine to be and might well interfere with the snorkel on that side. I like the way the CAA compressor sits low and closer to the center.
Kyle - The snorkel clears, but I'll post a picture of it tomorrow with the pump in place and that compressor sitting there just to show how well it all fits together.
As for continuing to look for the "right" bracket, I will. Here's a pic out of the catalog - what do you see there?
And here's a screenshot that shows the pump for the M/400 in the van:
So, the vans used the same AC compressor brackets as the trucks, which means their Saginaw bracket should work perfectly. However, there are several pieces involved and I wonder what the odds are for finding all of them?
Gary, as I pointed out and several others have. Remember why the 351M/400 design is made the way it is. To be a pretty much drop-in where the 429/460 went in cars. I would bet a lot of 460 stuff will fit. Keep in mind that by 1985 (maybe earlier) Ford had switched from the York and Tecumseh compressors to the FS6, by 1987 the FS10 was starting in.
I also pointed out that contrary to some opinions, there has never been a reverse rotation 460 water pump, they are all normal rotation, even the 1988-1997 with the polygroove belts.
Thank you for that Bill!
I think the V-groove 460 Sag setup will work with little if any mods.
Be mindful that some illustrations are generic.
You need to find everything in a junked vehicle.
(people also don't understand that the serpentine 460 water pump is driven off the inside of the belt. It HAS to have the same rotation)
Now, early pumps with the long snout will throw off belt alignment...
For that matter, if you got the later Saginaw bracket, you could dump the V and go Poly-Vee, since the bracket has a mounting point for a tensioner. You already have a tensioner I see for the alternator side. You would need the new crank pulley but this presumably could be got off the same engine as the bracket.
If it worked out, there are several advantages to the Poly-Vee belts in my view that would make it attractive.
Thank you for that Bill!
I think the V-groove 460 Sag setup will work with little if any mods.
Be mindful that some illustrations are generic.
You need to find everything in a junked vehicle.
(people also don't understand that the serpentine 460 water pump is driven off the inside of the belt. It HAS to have the same rotation)
Now, early pumps with the long snout will throw off belt alignment...
Jim, the 460 water pump was the same till 1992, then changed again in 1994. These were changes to eliminate the pump bearing failures like I had caused by the additional loading the polygroove belts have.
