Dad's Engine
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Also we have a case of ice cold beer, a half dozen dirty magazines behind the seat, a bag of trail mix and some killer peyote we scored from a navajo medicine man while we were exploring rock formations in the Southwest.
So we have a day or so to hash out the penetrating oil dilema.
My machinist is going to mock up the engine and measure the 4 corners to get the deck height correct whenever he gets around to doing my work.
So we have a day or so to hash out the penetrating oil dilema.
My machinist is going to mock up the engine and measure the 4 corners to get the deck height correct whenever he gets around to doing my work.
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Decking the block is one thing, sure it's better to do it with the parts in hand but can be done. However the bore is something else entirely. The bore should not be honed until pistons are in hand and actually measured by the shop doing the work. So as they should wait for the pistons anyway for the hone, then all decking it without them saves is a couple hours now instead of then.
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I am not the one having trouble swallowing my words or putting words in other peoples mouth.
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OK Jim, we are stranded in the desert and we lost all of the oil out of your 460, but caught in time before the motor Seized. we have no motor oil, but we have 7 quarts of penetrating oil. Do we try to drive it back with nothing in the pan or give the penetrating oil a try?
First why do we have 7 quarts of penetrating oil and no motor oil or anything else?
Second why did we lose all the oil, will whatever I put in there just drain out?
Second what is the penetrating oil? Something like tri-flow I'd consider better then nothing but with your acetone example that is the last thing I would put in there. The acetone would dissolve what little oil is left clinging to parts, in the oil filter, lifters, etc.
If my life depended on it and I only had the fluids already in the vehicle I'd drain the differential(s), manual tranny, transfer case, PS fluid, and if Auto tranny some ATF. And put those in, if I needed a little more volume I'd cut it with gasoline. The gears will work for a little while with the oil left on the parts, and PS is the least of the concerns, however it won't move without enough ATF.
After all that would be the coolant, antifreeze has some lubricating properties and overheating is the least of your worries.
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Wow Gary, good luck with all that.
My eyes have been through a lot of abuse and are paying the price about now,
In fact one is swollen and infected.
My ears aren't ringing yet, and appointments are weeks out.
IDK
My eyes have been through a lot of abuse and are paying the price about now,
In fact one is swollen and infected.
My ears aren't ringing yet, and appointments are weeks out.
IDK
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I guess I'll find out what Kayla wants to do on Monday - whether they have to have the pistons in hand or are happy to work from measurements.
I hope the spitter's engine gets mocked up soon. And I'd forgotten about the upholstery shop - and I suggest he does as well.
I hope the spitter's engine gets mocked up soon. And I'd forgotten about the upholstery shop - and I suggest he does as well.
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My Chevy friend is going to basically do the same on my 460, after we peruse all the piston/rod combos he has on shelves. He has a bunch of Mercruiser 230 ci 4 cyl stuff (half a 460) that we plan on investigating.
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Sure manufacturing is better then it used to be, and your right nobody numbers pistons anymore, I didn't say anything about numbering pistons. But there can be a thousandth or two of variation from one manufacture to another and vs. the accuracy of the machinist micrometers. If what your after is very good machine work(clearly you aren't) then it's best to wait until the same micrometer can be used to measure both the piston and the bore mic.
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Gary,
When I hurt my eyes bad enough (bad welding burn, shattered glass) my nose starts running and my ears start ringing.
I think it is a sympathetic reaction in my brain.
Good luck with your surgery.
When I hurt my eyes bad enough (bad welding burn, shattered glass) my nose starts running and my ears start ringing.
I think it is a sympathetic reaction in my brain.
Good luck with your surgery.
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I know that feeling, but it always seems to take a couple days.
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Sure manufacturing is better then it used to be, and your right nobody numbers pistons anymore, I didn't say anything about numbering pistons. But there can be a thousandth or two of variation from one manufacture to another and vs. the accuracy of the machinist micrometers. If what your after is very good machine work(clearly you aren't) then it's best to wait until the same micrometer can be used to measure both the piston and the bore mic.
A good machinist still wants the pistons in hand, yes they will be remarkably consistent in a given lot, but lot to lot may vary a bit, not much, but still a bit.
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Sure manufacturing is better then it used to be, and your right nobody numbers pistons anymore, I didn't say anything about numbering pistons. But there can be a thousandth or two of variation from one manufacture to another and vs. the accuracy of the machinist micrometers. If what your after is very good machine work(clearly you aren't) then it's best to wait until the same micrometer can be used to measure both the piston and the bore mic.
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STK was the shop that explained to me that there is no need to have the pistons in hand before the block is bored. So they wont be waiting to get the pistons from Gary to bore his block. I guess he should have had somebody like you machine his block instead of this 40 yr veteran that he took it to. You know, someone that knows what they are talking about.