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Old Nov 11, 2013 | 07:52 PM
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Ah, so its the water pump not the oil pump thats 90 or 100mm. The bearings are shot in this water pump so I will need to replace that as well. I will measure it when I pull it out tomorrow.
 
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Old Nov 11, 2013 | 07:57 PM
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The better HPOP was in 05.

Yours may not have the larger water pump - my records show that to have ocurred on 7/18/2004. The 100mm vs90 mm is impellor diameter.
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Old Nov 11, 2013 | 08:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Snowseeker
Ah, so its the water pump not the oil pump thats 90 or 100mm. The bearings are shot in this water pump so I will need to replace that as well. I will measure it when I pull it out tomorrow.
what is the mileage on that motor?

I can understand some things wearing out and breaking, but it seems you have been finding thing after thing wrong with the motor

curious if it was abused...or just driven a lot of hard miles
 
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Old Nov 11, 2013 | 08:13 PM
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Sounds like it got hot to me - possibly run with a very low coolant level.
 
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Old Nov 11, 2013 | 08:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Tylus
what is the mileage on that motor?

I can understand some things wearing out and breaking, but it seems you have been finding thing after thing wrong with the motor

curious if it was abused...or just driven a lot of hard miles


There is 180K on the motor. The guy I bought it from only owned it for 6 months. I am unsure of how the owner before him took care of the truck beside for what I am seeing. The truck is all stock at least. I believe it has had a pretty hard life with neglect and not much care. But I am here to change all that and give it the treatment it deserves.
 
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Old Nov 11, 2013 | 08:16 PM
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The video posted shows dieseltechron removing the "do not F*** with bolts and reinstalling. So it 'technically' can be done right? Just STRONGLY advised against?
No.

Just because one guy did it once and got lucky doesn't mean that it can be done.
 
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Old Nov 11, 2013 | 08:23 PM
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Originally Posted by bismic
Sounds like it got hot to me - possibly run with a very low coolant level.

At least when I got it the coolant was up and it has held good. When I popped the cap there was slight pressure in the system yet. The head gaskets all look good.

The only evidence of wrenching I found on the motor was the bolts to the shroud were removed at one point. I think possibly it lost a belt at one time but I can be all wrong. I haven't seen any tell tale signs of a hot motor lie brittle plastics/wires/plugs, and whatnot but anything is possible with a used vehicle.
 
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Old Nov 11, 2013 | 08:29 PM
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No.

Just because one guy did it once and got lucky doesn't mean that it can be done.

I just wonder why though? I haven't seen any solid proof showing exactly why it can't be done. I mean coming from a machining, fabricating, and automotive background when I see a press fit flange with two flat mating surfaces they should be able to repeat perfect reassembly over and over and over again within .0005" tolerance at minimum. Unless something else adds a variable?
 
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Old Nov 11, 2013 | 08:34 PM
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No.

Just because one guy did it once and got lucky doesn't mean that it can be done.
Did you watch the video? We're referring to the adapter right? It wasn't once. He does it all the time. He removes them when he has to reseal the bed plates and said he pulls them off so he can mark his timing gears and they have to go back in the same exact spot. He uses the two dowel spots 180 out to install.
 
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Old Nov 11, 2013 | 08:37 PM
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I just wonder why though? I haven't seen any solid proof showing exactly why it can't be done. I mean coming from a machining, fabricating, and automotive background when I see a press fit flange with two flat mating surfaces they should be able to repeat perfect reassembly over and over and over again within .0005" tolerance at minimum. Unless something else adds a variable?
I'm sure if you get it back on the way it came off you would be fine but if it were me I wouldn't touch it.
 
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Old Nov 11, 2013 | 08:47 PM
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I don't see what the big deal is. I do similar work all the time. Runouts on a pump, balanced cranks...if you put it back the way it came off, I don't see any issue
 
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Old Nov 11, 2013 | 09:11 PM
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But without a dowel pin you are relying on the shank
of the bolts for alignment. I can see it not sitting the
same as when it was put together and had the finish
grinding done. I might do it if I had to but if I don't
then I won't. Plus if you do pull the bed plate you will
know that it has been sealed with a fresh seal.

While we are on this subject I have this to share with you.
If you would like I can take some measurements so you
can see if you can make one.





Sean
 
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Old Nov 12, 2013 | 06:32 AM
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Originally Posted by bismic
The better HPOP was in 05.

Yours may not have the larger water pump - my records show that change to have ocurred on 7/18/2004. The 100mm vs 90 mm is impellor diameter.
My truck had a birthdate of 10.25.03 and has the 100mm pump. I think the change actually occurred with the 04.5 motors (ICP in the valve cover).
 
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Old Nov 12, 2013 | 06:35 AM
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Good to know Tim, I will look into my documentation to see the source of the date I posted. I thought it was a TSB. Possibly could have come from the "Ford Parts system" and the water pump part # though. I did not think it exactly matched the 9/29/2003 date though (entirely possible I slipped a digit in the spreadsheet and it should have been 7/18/2003, or just missed it completely). Again - good catch.
 
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Old Nov 12, 2013 | 06:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Snowseeker
I just wonder why though? I haven't seen any solid proof showing exactly why it can't be done. I mean coming from a machining, fabricating, and automotive background when I see a press fit flange with two flat mating surfaces they should be able to repeat perfect reassembly over and over and over again within .0005" tolerance at minimum. Unless something else adds a variable?
It may be that the flange is specific to the crankshaft it was originally mated to for balance reasons. By the video and just from what IH/Ford engineering states that "small" amount of weight makes a difference. It would be interesting to see if rotating it gives it a different runout.
 
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