2011 fuel system issues
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Let's rephrase that correctly... it's Bosch's pump... you (Ford) subcontracted to them for a Diesel fuel injection system for your 6.7 motor... It has never been VW's, GMC's, or Ford's or Audi's High Pressure Fuel Pump.
NHTSA smells something bigger than just Ford, hence the Peer Review analysis. Everybody that makes diesel is getting the same treatment. Almost all mfg's listed there run on Bosch pump models, in one form, family model, or another. NHTSA is going to see which Family of pumps have the highest failure ratio. This is only the beginning of the discovery process, IMHO.
NHTSA smells something bigger than just Ford, hence the Peer Review analysis. Everybody that makes diesel is getting the same treatment. Almost all mfg's listed there run on Bosch pump models, in one form, family model, or another. NHTSA is going to see which Family of pumps have the highest failure ratio. This is only the beginning of the discovery process, IMHO.
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Statistical reasons? Baseline values? Failure rates of other brands? Probably has something to do with all of the above, or to eliminate the claim that it's fuel issues, or the other pumps have adequate design. Or it could be something as simple as the others at least giving the operator an indication that it is about to fail, for safety purposes.
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While that could be true, the mode of failure, and how dangerous it could be, is different. Metal debris in contaminated fuel could jam an injector nozzle open at all times, which is a real problem when you have a common rail loaded with a bunch of fuel at high pressure, spraying into a chamber at all times, constantly, during the various strok cycles on a four stroke motor. Now you are talking about leak down, and burning a hole in a piston, massive failure of the whole block, etc.
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I believe there is a documentation stating a aux tank is not recommended by ford,. Because of possible fuel contamination. WHY risk it..on a newly designed engine? if there is a possibility of contaminated fuel...why would ford cover it??
Just like chips....be smart people...stay stock!!
Also, if you think about it,....if bad lubricity is the cause...why should Ford cover that?
Some people don't get it....you get bad fuel....someone has to pay...just not Ford!!
Shane
Just like chips....be smart people...stay stock!!
Also, if you think about it,....if bad lubricity is the cause...why should Ford cover that?
Some people don't get it....you get bad fuel....someone has to pay...just not Ford!!
Shane
If that is correct, then it would seem that Ford has given tacit approval of these tanks
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To each their own....." I'm going by the book"
I'm not going to give Ford a reason for any DENIAL.
live how you wanna live.
Shane
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This effort was spring boarded by members on this site and pushed through the programmers at FOMOCO by Paul Bruckner. He was a design engineer for the 6.7 diesel engine. He was a contributor here until he was promoted to a position in the Lincoln Division of FOMOCO. He also forwarded his opinion that my HPFP failure should be covered under warranty to the upper levels of FOMOCO management.
Fear of loss of warranty coverage should not be something anyone should have to worry about when they spend $50,000 plus on a new truck. Ford's shameful behavior has certainly changed that dynamic...way to go Ford...
Shame on Ford
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I would have ordered my chassis cab with the dual tank setup, but not available on Lariat. No one knows why but evidently Ford has no problem building an XLT with dual tanks. So is the second tank an auxillary, optional main or some other name.
Jim
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I find it interesting that there are soo many VW tdi systems that have failures. They are much less likely to use fuel from farm supplies or contractor supplies. I do know that their filter replacement intervals are longer than ours and their filter system is not as easily accessible to the owner. Even when we combine 6.4 and 6.7 failures, our list is far smaller with far more Superduties sold.
My dad has an 09 TDI....
My dad has an 09 TDI....
I found an article in Popular Mechanics where they did a 12-month test drive on a Jetta TDI. They got some "bad fuel" on a road trip and had to have the entire fuel system replaced, under warranty of course. The writer dismissed it as if it were an everyday occurrence, to be expected with a diesel.
Year-Long Review of the VW Jetta TDI Loyal Edition - Popular Mechanics
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