Up here in Canada I have heard of no 6.7 HPFP and fuel system failures at all and I can't find any Internet chatter of other manufacturers that use the Bosch 4.1 pump having failures either.

For reference sake.
Canadian diesel fuel lubricity standards are 460 micron scar allowance (which is on par) with the old pre-ULSD scar rating
while the US diesel fuel lubricity standard is 520 micron scar allowance.
This appears to represent about a 13% poorer wear allowance with US diesel.
Makes it kind of hard pulling an eighteen wheel full of Canadian diesel to Florida and back as a safety precaution to avoid fuel system failures for us Canadian Ford owners.
Really make you wonder why GM and Dodge aren't having the same degree of failures.

Also makes me scared crapless of upgrading to a 2012 6.7L F450 to pull our full-timing 5ver within a year or so when i retire
Come on Dodge or GM. Build a 4500 with a factory installed pickup box. (in Ontario can't license a cab/chassis with out many onerous commercial reg's kicking in)

 

Canada is down at the bottom, 4 failures. California has a population of about 40 million people, at least 60% of them drive. Compare Canada's failures to some of the states, and it's not out of line, eh?

TDIClub Forums - HPFP Failures-State by State List

 

Of course California apparently has more human population than all of Canada combined, doesn't it?
Never seen it in person to figure out how that would look like...

 

None on the cummins / ram forum ether

 

Some pictures or maps of the freeways systems in and around San Francisco or Los Angeles should give you an idea, if you've never been.

 

Dodge uses a different series pump...but GM uses the Bosch CP4.2 series HPFP. While it is interesting that few if any GM HPFP failures have been seen on forums, it is known by myself and others here that there was a pallet full of destroyed GM HPFP's seen at the Bosch facility.

There are some failures but GM and Dodge have taken the high road and covered them under warranty. If they had done otherwise, there would be screaming going on over at their forums as well.

Shame on Ford

Peace

 

Fixed that for you, Rick!

 

Ford recently started paying dividends again on their common stock... after, what a 5.5 year or more hiatus? Guess someone has to foot the bill for those dividends for those filthy rich shareholders, may as well tax the rich with their fancy $60k trucks, they can afford it, eh, when a fuel pump goes down?

 

How many pumps can your fit on a pallet, and how many Bosch / Ford pallets were noted?

 

I find it interesting that there are soo many VW tdi systems that have failures. They are much less likely to use fuel from farm supplies or contractor supplies. I do know that their filter replacement intervals are longer than ours and their filter system is not as easily accessible to the owner. Even when we combine 6.4 and 6.7 failures, our list is far smaller with far more Superduties sold.

My dad has an 09 TDI....

 

Well, I guess we may never get the straight info on the fuel pump failure problems. Lots of good info here. I would be less than truthful if I didn't admit I don't worry about being stalled on the side of I-40 between Oklahoma City and Barstow or even worse highway 58 going across the Mojave. With 34' of 5th wheel behind me this would be a real lousy situation to be in. I've already had one of these episodes with the 6.0. I got lucky that time and barely limped in to a campground, then four days of getting the truck fixed.

All of my fuel goes thru three filters, power service in fuel and the best attention to fuel quality I can do. Eight years of towing 5th wheel and have never had water. However, I realize that may not be the only issue at play here. It sure would take some fear out of the equation if Ford was really addressing the pump issue and filling us (owners) in on the progress. I'm pretty sure that's not going to happen!

So, we are left wondering who will be next. Relatively speaking I'm sure these faillures are small compared to the total number of 6.7's being driven. Or at least I hope so. But, if it's YOU that it happens to next it won't matter that you are "one of the few", only that you now find yourself with a broken engine.

Maybe the fuel additives aren't a help either, but I will hope it at least isn't doing any harm. Good trucking to all my friends here...........


Jim

 

It is interesting, considering the nature of forums in general. People will start a thread for a burned out light bulb...one would think a failure as serious as an HPFP would have a few posts somewhere, if not noting the failure and bringing it up for discussion, then surely there would be some praising the manufacturer for standing behind their product after having the repair done. Interesting indeed.

 

Huh? Pop dad's hood, at the far left, looking from the front of the car, right behind the right front headlight, sits a fuel filter canister. Undo 5 torx screws, lift the lid up, fish out the fuel filter, and there you have it. No crawling under the truck in the mud. Suck all the fuel and water out of the fuel filter canister, clear to the bottom,n replace the o rings, reinstall new fuel filter, then use VCDS software with an OBD II cable to prime the whole fuel system 3 x, to purge all the air out of the fuel system, and you are done. Even a cave man could do it, every 20k miles. Oh, and don't be afraid to shine a bright light in there before pulling the old fuel filter, to look for sparkly metallic debris against the black top of your fuel filter... that's your HPFP eating itself alive, slowly but surely, before failure. Try doing that on a Ford fuel filter, every single change...

 

Drivers of cars are more likely to put gasoline into the diesel tank.

 

Regarding few if any GM failures. it was surmised on a VW forum that possibly some manufacturers that are not exhibiting significant failures with 4.1 and 4.2 pumps are specing the pump from Bosch with a harder surface coating on the cam roller to reduce the wear on the pumps they buy from Bosch for their North American bound products.
I wonder if this is possibly true with the GM products