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Old Jan 27, 2012 | 06:08 PM
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Does anyone know how much just a hpfp would cost to replace? It might be worth it after a wif light.
 
Old Jan 27, 2012 | 06:16 PM
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The way I understand it once you get the WIF light its already too late because of the way fuel filter is designed for this engine.
 
Old Jan 27, 2012 | 06:27 PM
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Originally Posted by p12483
Does anyone know how much just a hpfp would cost to replace? It might be worth it after a wif light.
Retail is around $1200...I believe they can be bought for about $900...

Let's see...you operate the truck but you get a bit of water...less than 8 ounces turns on the WIF light...according to the operators manual, the light means drain the DVFM...not replace the HPFP...

Ford's shameful treatment of owners of these trucks has now got some people so worried about the $10,000 bill that they will receive if they ever see a WIF warning and a HPFP Shameful Ford Event that a preemptive stike against the total destruction of the fuel system is in order at the owners expense...way to go Ford...erase that stigma of the 6.0...at least we do not need coolant filters, EGR coolers, oil coolers or head gaskets

I get the concern...nobody is exempt from this possibility...Ford has made these fears legitimate with their shabby treatment of loyal customers.

Shame on Ford

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Old Jan 27, 2012 | 07:38 PM
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I've been watching this unfold for the last few months and I have to say I'll keep watching (instead of buying a new diesel).
I bought my 6.8 instead of a 6.4 as I thought I would wait for the 6.7. But now, with these issues I will keep waiting.
I don't want a truck that I have to worry about fuel issues constantly. I really like my Fords but I'm not getting sucked in for a 2nd time.
 
Old Jan 27, 2012 | 09:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Ricohman
I've been watching this unfold for the last few months and I have to say I'll keep watching (instead of buying a new diesel).
I bought my 6.8 instead of a 6.4 as I thought I would wait for the 6.7. But now, with these issues I will keep waiting.
I don't want a truck that I have to worry about fuel issues constantly. I really like my Fords but I'm not getting sucked in for a 2nd time.
I agree with your thought process, but I wouldn't condemn the 6.7L engine just yet. We've seen cases like Rick where there was no indication of bad fuel, and in this case he was done wrong. But we've also seen many cases of people who have admitted symptoms of bad fuel who are upset because Ford won't cover a repair that should be the responsibility of the fuel supplier.

I'm very curious to see where things will settle in a few months. Either we'll see more cases like Rick and Ford will have damned their reputation for good, or we'll see cases of covered repairs and things will be a bit more positive. Time will tell...
 
Old Jan 27, 2012 | 09:51 PM
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IMHO...I believe this is a seasonal issue...or WINTER BLEND. Very few issues reported before winter. Now...winter hits...and issues popping up.

Just my .02 here...


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Old Jan 27, 2012 | 10:17 PM
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I agree with your thought process, but I wouldn't condemn the 6.7L engine just yet. We've seen cases like Rick where there was no indication of bad fuel, and in this case he was done wrong. But we've also seen many cases of people who have admitted symptoms of bad fuel who are upset because Ford won't cover a repair that should be the responsibility of the fuel supplier.

I'm very curious to see where things will settle in a few months. Either we'll see more cases like Rick and Ford will have damned their reputation for good, or we'll see cases of covered repairs and things will be a bit more positive. Time will tell...
Crazy...

Are there any cases of fuel systems failures that were covered by the warranty you are aware of? Maybe I overlooked them... but I'm not seeing any. Certainly doesn't seem to be the theme.
 
Old Jan 27, 2012 | 10:19 PM
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IMHO...I believe this is a seasonal issue...or WINTER BLEND. Very few issues reported before winter. Now...winter hits...and issues popping up.

Just my .02 here...


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Old Jan 27, 2012 | 10:24 PM
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Crazy...

Are there any cases of fuel systems failures that were covered by the warranty you are aware of? Maybe I overlooked them... but I'm not seeing any. Certainly doesn't seem to be the theme.
Consolidated had a HPFP replaced under warranty the first time, but obviously something went awry and that's why he's in the current predicament. I remember Randy(randito) in THIS THREAD had an engine replacement that he originally had to pay for but the decision was reversed and it was covered under warranty.

That's all I can think of at the moment, and the flip side of this is that if someone is taken care of well under warranty they are less likely to come onto a forum to complain about it. Of course these folks have every right to...heck, I'd be pissed!
 
Old Jan 27, 2012 | 10:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Crazy001
Consolidated had a HPFP replaced under warranty the first time, but obviously something went awry and that's why he's in the current predicament. I remember Randy(randito) in THIS THREAD had an engine replacement that he originally had to pay for but the decision was reversed and it was covered under warranty.

That's all I can think of at the moment, and the flip side of this is that if someone is taken care of well under warranty they are less likely to come onto a forum to complain about it. Of course these folks have every right to...heck, I'd be pissed!
1) I guess its a matter of perspective but I hardly consider Randy's case a success. I think in the end the dealer saved himself a world of escalation.... but it was hardly a success. Several weeks without his truck and all kinds of nonsense to go along with it.... AND he did actually have to come to the table with 20+k BEFORE the dealer reversed its decision. How many folks driving SD's could or would be able to do that? I imagine you had an enormous amount to do with that too. How many customers out there have the benefit of insiders working diligently for them behind the scenes?

2) This is an enthusiast forum. I came here because I was jazzed about buying a new F350... I would expect this would be a place lots of happy customers would come to brag about how FMC took care of their high dollar repairs if and when they did.

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Old Jan 27, 2012 | 10:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Crazy001
Consolidated had a HPFP replaced under warranty the first time, but obviously something went awry and that's why he's in the current predicament. I remember Randy(randito) in THIS THREAD had an engine replacement that he originally had to pay for but the decision was reversed and it was covered under warranty.

That's all I can think of at the moment, and the flip side of this is that if someone is taken care of well under warranty they are less likely to come onto a forum to complain about it. Of course these folks have every right to...heck, I'd be pissed!
Regarding Randy's situation... you said it was "covered under warranty" but on Page 26 of his thread he said...

"The dealership called me this morning and told me "come get your check"...... ........ He told me the dealership was going to eat this one because a lot of mistakes had been made....???"

So unless I'm mistaken FMC never publicly stepped up to warranty his repair. His dealer claimed they were just going to eat it.
 
Old Jan 27, 2012 | 10:42 PM
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Regarding Randy's situation... you said it was "covered under warranty" but on Page 26 of his thread he said...

"The dealership called me this morning and told me "come get your check"...... ........ He told me the dealership was going to eat this one because a lot of mistakes had been made....???"

So unless I'm mistaken FMC never publicly stepped up to warranty his repair. His dealer claimed they were just going to eat it.
Randy and I talked about this over the phone and we both agree that they were likely pressured by Ford and told him this to save face. Now that you mention it, I'm going to see if I can verify this...

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Old Jan 28, 2012 | 05:17 AM
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Originally Posted by rickatic
Retail is around $1200...I believe they can be bought for about $900...

Let's see...you operate the truck but you get a bit of water...less than 8 ounces turns on the WIF light...according to the operators manual, the light means drain the DVFM...not replace the HPFP...

Ford's shameful treatment of owners of these trucks has now got some people so worried about the $10,000 bill that they will receive if they ever see a WIF warning and a HPFP Shameful Ford Event that a preemptive stike against the total destruction of the fuel system is in order at the owners expense...way to go Ford...erase that stigma of the 6.0...at least we do not need coolant filters, EGR coolers, oil coolers or head gaskets

I get the concern...nobody is exempt from this possibility...Ford has made these fears legitimate with their shabby treatment of loyal customers.

Shame on Ford

Peace
Well this meens Ford hasnt made a decent truck in 10 years!
 
Old Jan 28, 2012 | 05:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Crazy001
I agree with your thought process, but I wouldn't condemn the 6.7L engine just yet. We've seen cases like Rick where there was no indication of bad fuel, and in this case he was done wrong. But we've also seen many cases of people who have admitted symptoms of bad fuel who are upset because Ford won't cover a repair that should be the responsibility of the fuel supplier.

I'm very curious to see where things will settle in a few months. Either we'll see more cases like Rick and Ford will have damned their reputation for good, or we'll see cases of covered repairs and things will be a bit more positive. Time will tell...
Well Ford chose the rong fuel pump and they chose the rong low pressure pump/water seperater. Its a design defect and Ford is denying claims so they can have the second most profitable year in history. This wouldnt be a problem if they werent so damn cheap and put in substandard equipment
 
Old Jan 28, 2012 | 08:08 AM
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Originally Posted by biz4two
IMHO...I believe this is a seasonal issue...or WINTER BLEND. Very few issues reported before winter. Now...winter hits...and issues popping up.

Just my .02 here...


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Wrong...at least in my case...and not likely in the Texas or Florida instances either.

My POS HPFP grenaded at 35000 miles on September 9th...keep in mind that the bad fuel scenario only requires one bad fuel purchase to wipe out the pump. If you saw the internals of a Bosch HPFP that as committed suicide, you would understand.

But, if you are right, it would be an even bigger reason to condemn Ford for choosing such a marginal HPFP for the USA fuel standards. Maybe the truck should come with a disclamer recommending use only south of the Mason-Dixon line

Shame on Ford

Peace
 



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