Along with Ricatic and several others I'm just finishing up my $12,000 hpfp repair. Supposed to get truck back tonight. I again asked the service manager about using a fuel additive and he said no. I asked the mechanic who did all service work about it as well and he said "no, don't use it. These fuel system are too sensitive to use fuel additives!" My reply, if they are that sensitive, and will allow water to get in the system usually undetected, any fuel additives to help make the fuel quality better would be a safe guard wouldn't it? I told them both that I warned them of my worries before my fuel system crapped out listening to theirs b.s. and this time I'm doing it my way.

 

Geez, there are some dopey dealers out there...Ford recommends their PM22A additive as a precaution to those who might be in poor fuel quality areas...like the entire USA...

Peace

 

The PM22A is printed on the Ford issued care & tips page.
I have attached it within this post or you can locate the latest copy on the Ford Owners website.

 

x2. Seems like some folks are perfectly willing to accept that all it takes for a 60k truck to need a 12k repair is a single "bad" batch of fuel. Why isn't this such an issue for GM and Ram? Or is it and just no one is talking about it?

I thought these were work trucks.... most diesel truckers I know work their trucks hard and carry auxiliary fuel tanks in the beds of their trucks. Yet this is the only place I keep seeing references to 12k fuel system replacements on young trucks.

 

I still think water is only a scapegoat, so when my truck arrives, the first thing I plan to do is add lubricity to the fuel.

Has anybody heard of any HPFP failures that occurred with treated fuel?

Has anybody opened an HPFP that has seen a few tens of thousands of miles to see if they already fail the Ford water litmus test?

Comments like this one from your "mechanic" just reassure me that this motor still remains a mystery to everybody except the Ford engineers; and they aren't talking...

 

x2

... or Ram for that matter. All I see are links to all the problems on the Ford sites.

 

Hi Rick,

Well I have to admit I never thought about another filter having anything to do with the stock fuel system. My big Wix fuel filter/water separator has a petcock on the bottom of the canister so taking fuel samples takes about 10 seconds. Never had a drop in that filter or the stock, however I fully realize it can happen at any time and the damage could happen very quickly.

Now I guess I'm not as smart as I thought I was with the separate filter. Guess I can always take it off. Gee what do you do, it's kind of a big crap shoot isn't it?

It's great to hear from you, I've missed your posts. I know your truck is fixed, but not the wallet or your feelings. Hope your New Year is going better than the last. Let me know what you've been up to....


Jim

 

This post was taken from the Duramax Forum, it is a brand new post:

2011 injector pump
Injector pump went out on truck now dealer says there is a bulletin out that GM says if this happens look for metal fragments and possibly replace EVERYTHING in the fuel system. Anybody heard of this yet? The truck is a 2011 3500 flat bed WT duramax.

Still think this is JUST Ford having issues???


Oh and I must say it is VERY STRANGE to see a "We want your super duty story" as a sticky on their forum!!!!

 

No I think GM is having issues too but it's Ford's stance that's making it such a vocal deal.
Owners wouldn't be this vocal about Ford if Ford was making the repairs.
No one would care.

I wonder where Ford purchased their fuel when they tested these trucks to 250,000 miles because I want some of it.
Canada has premium diesel, has there been any failures up there?
Are the failures thus far in states that mandate bio?

It's been raining for what seems like a month here (just happens to be raining the past three times I've needed fuel) so I decided to drain my DFCM last night ahead of schedule.
Checked the jar this evening and I didn't see any water with a quick glance.
I'll look at it more closely later on.

 

Tongue in cheek or not, that's a very good point.

 

This is the filter I use on my bulk tanks and I use a fuel additive. I'm also lucky to live near large refineries.

 

Is it really?

Probably the same place NEMOTORCARS got his fuel. I mean, 103,000 miles on his work truck getting fuel from wherever he finds it while on the road without a fuel system failure. Sure he cracked a valve, but that's unrelated to the HP fuel system.

What about ruschejj? IIRC he must have 70k+ miles on his truck without a failure. But then again, he must have some super-secret fuel source because he also had over 150,000 miles on his 6.4L without any high pressure fuel system problems. Radiator problems were a different story though.

I don't believe either of these high-mileage members ever used any fuel additive either.

Who can provide what information showing a pattern of failure? I have met some really cool people that have gotten me some great information in the past, but never any failure data. If someone wants to call me a Kool-aid drinker go ahead, my current 2011 Ford is in the shop right now.

 

This should be covered under the comprehensive portion of the policy...whether the person on the other end of the phone knew it or not. Note comprehensive is optional as most states only require liability (your lienholder, if you have one, may require Comprehensive and Collision). Comprehensive & Collision is something that protects the policy holder and lienholder. Liability protects other drivers.

If the problem is in fact caused by 'bad fuel' then it is not a mechanical problem and therefore should not be limited by the mechanical breakdown exclusions in most auto policies. They should cover the repair and then go after the fuel supplier for damages themselves. That is what insurance is for.

You would have to read your policy to be sure what it does or does not cover. I have found the local agents to be very uneducated on what policies actually cover or do not cover and I have found the national carriers that provide phone support such as Geico & Progressive to be even less knowledgeable. The people on those phone lines are nothing more than customer service reps and know absolutely ZERO about insurance.

Also note that you will find very little variability between policies from different carriers. The policies and coverages are almost always regulated and set by the state that you live in. The insurance companies all have to use the same basic policy 'forms' in that state that the insurance board/bureau in your state sets out. You will find slight differences between policies but not a ton.

I am not an insurance guy or expert just one of those geeks that does a lot of research and actually reads every word of the insurance policies that I have.

If you find out the above is not true for your state after your research let us know. It sounds like a lot of us may need to know what is covered by whom and where for these HPFP issues.

My only experience with a Bosch CR fuel system was in my Jeep Liberty CRD. That thing had major gearbox design issues but I never had any problems with the fuel system.

---Aaron

 

Here is a link to an excellent article from Donaldson filter company (Old 6.0 Air Filter Manufacturer) about separating emulsified water and water from diesel along with some filters. A very good read for info hounds http://www.engine-expo.com/07ex_conf..._donaldson.pdf

And some filter recommendations designed to protect the pump http://www.donaldson-filters.com/070616.pdf

 

X2.

I dug around on several forums to see what I could find to support "the sky is falling" sentiment around here, and I couldn't find anything, that's why I asked the question. There doesn't seem to be an answer though.