2011 fuel system issues
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If Ford is building a work truck that has zero protection and zero tolerance for less than perfect fuel then it might be a good time to sell your Ford stock. my fuel supplier is great and I am pretty sure I picked up the bad fuel at the end of my old fuel dispensing tank towards at the very end of its life. Again, these trucks work in tough environments and are going to be exposed to fuel contmaination at some point in their lives. After the original problem I changed all the fuel filters, twice. I will look at aftermarket pumps and water fuel seperators to help address this issue. If this is this is an ongoing issue there will be a a fairly new Ford for sale. Maybe I will try a Dodge.
If your fuel supplier is that great than you should have no trouble getting them to pay the repair bill.
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Out of curiosity, and as a backstop, I called my current insuror - Progressive Insurance. I specifically asked about failures due to Contaminated Fuel. I found they DO NOT cover mechanical failure's of this type. However they do cover "vandalism" under comprehensive. Who could prove/disprove that water came from the gas station, or someone poured it in my tank, or for that matter, poured water in the tank at the gas station.....
Needless to say, I am shopping around for another carrier, just in case.
Needless to say, I am shopping around for another carrier, just in case.
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I have been looking on line at fuel filter that remove 99 % of water and contaminents. one company even mentions protection for Bosch pumps in its advertising. looks like u mount most of these in line and can be mounted horizontal or vert. anyone smart on fuel or pumps out there know of a particular product that works well to filter out stuff before it takes out the pump.....and yes Fords filters should but it looks like they don't.
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I have been looking on line at fuel filter that remove 99 % of water and contaminents. one company even mentions protection for Bosch pumps in its advertising. looks like u mount most of these in line and can be mounted horizontal or vert. anyone smart on fuel or pumps out there know of a particular product that works well to filter out stuff before it takes out the pump.....and yes Fords filters should but it looks like they don't.
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Yes I read he had bad fuel. No that's not Ford's fault.
But seems to me once that occurs, an owner WILL have a $12,000 repair bill soon and there's nothing we can do.
In the same category as a car wreck; unplannable.
OP, did your WIF light come on during the November incident?
I'm interested to know what was wrong with the fuel.
If it was all water (not other contaminants) then I simply don't understand the design of our DFCM/filters.
I agree with Crazy that there aren't any tolerances so that's why we have the DFCM.
But seems to me once that occurs, an owner WILL have a $12,000 repair bill soon and there's nothing we can do.
In the same category as a car wreck; unplannable.
OP, did your WIF light come on during the November incident?
I'm interested to know what was wrong with the fuel.
If it was all water (not other contaminants) then I simply don't understand the design of our DFCM/filters.
I agree with Crazy that there aren't any tolerances so that's why we have the DFCM.
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so is it fords stance that if the HPFP blows up that no matter what it was caused by bad fuel. is their stance that oh yeah there isn't water in the fuel now but there was and because of that even though the truck has been running fine it was caused by water??
I keep saying it but isn't there a log of the WIF light coming on in the computer on the truck?? if it did not come on AND there was water in the fuel that caused the problem its a failure of the warning system on the truck. thus still warranty covered. its getting to the point where we need to have several people filming at the dealerships while they take these trucks apart.
I think most of us understand that fuel contamination will break stuff, but the problem is why can't it just break the HPFP and leave the rest of the fuel system alone, simply replace a $1300 part and keep on trucking. The problem I have is why in the world does it spread metal everywhere, when past injection designs did not?? its crazy that a part that fuels the engine can do more damage than even the cost of a new engine.
I keep saying it but isn't there a log of the WIF light coming on in the computer on the truck?? if it did not come on AND there was water in the fuel that caused the problem its a failure of the warning system on the truck. thus still warranty covered. its getting to the point where we need to have several people filming at the dealerships while they take these trucks apart.
I think most of us understand that fuel contamination will break stuff, but the problem is why can't it just break the HPFP and leave the rest of the fuel system alone, simply replace a $1300 part and keep on trucking. The problem I have is why in the world does it spread metal everywhere, when past injection designs did not?? its crazy that a part that fuels the engine can do more damage than even the cost of a new engine.
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If you are looking at a modern diesel truck that can handle fuel contamination, you are going to be disappointed with all of them. You will not find a diesel pickup currently made that does not have a high pressure common-rail fuel system. These systems pressurize fuel to over 25,000 PSI and have no tolerance for bad fuel. None of them. You will not find a manufacturer that will cover a claim for bad fuel.
If your fuel supplier is that great than you should have no trouble getting them to pay the repair bill.
If your fuel supplier is that great than you should have no trouble getting them to pay the repair bill.
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It's only a matter of time until the market responds. There is technology that can place an inline filter into a 30,000 psi stream of fuel and capture debris before it is spread further. It won't be long until we start seeing aftermarket parts available that improve water separation and replacement options for the pump.
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so is it fords stance that if the HPFP blows up that no matter what it was caused by bad fuel. is their stance that oh yeah there isn't water in the fuel now but there was and because of that even though the truck has been running fine it was caused by water??
I keep saying it but isn't there a log of the WIF light coming on in the computer on the truck?? if it did not come on AND there was water in the fuel that caused the problem its a failure of the warning system on the truck. thus still warranty covered. its getting to the point where we need to have several people filming at the dealerships while they take these trucks apart.
I think most of us understand that fuel contamination will break stuff, but the problem is why can't it just break the HPFP and leave the rest of the fuel system alone, simply replace a $1300 part and keep on trucking. The problem I have is why in the world does it spread metal everywhere, when past injection designs did not?? its crazy that a part that fuels the engine can do more damage than even the cost of a new engine.
I keep saying it but isn't there a log of the WIF light coming on in the computer on the truck?? if it did not come on AND there was water in the fuel that caused the problem its a failure of the warning system on the truck. thus still warranty covered. its getting to the point where we need to have several people filming at the dealerships while they take these trucks apart.
I think most of us understand that fuel contamination will break stuff, but the problem is why can't it just break the HPFP and leave the rest of the fuel system alone, simply replace a $1300 part and keep on trucking. The problem I have is why in the world does it spread metal everywhere, when past injection designs did not?? its crazy that a part that fuels the engine can do more damage than even the cost of a new engine.
Shame on Ford
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Subscribed ... to say this HPFP thing has my attention is an understatement.
To the OP, Ricatic has been through the ringer on this. Maybe his experience can help your situation ... ??
To the OP, Ricatic has been through the ringer on this. Maybe his experience can help your situation ... ??
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From: herriman utah
for the local guys to me there are several here in utah, if you have a situation with your truck, motor, fuel whatever and need a witness to verify there isn't water in the fuel, you you did not run the truck through water. PM me I will help you out.
the problems we are seeing seem I think more dealer related if you ask me,
the problems we are seeing seem I think more dealer related if you ask me,
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If anyone knows of aftermarket fuel system filtration that is available now for our 6.7 could we post it in a new thread so we can all see our options??? I filter all my fuel thru an add on Wix fuel filter/water separtor now before it goes in to my aft stock tank. So far never had a drop of water in any of the 3 fuel filters( the one above plus two stock fuel filters). But I'd take more protection anytime before shelling out a HPFP and associated fuel system!!!
Jim
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If anyone knows of aftermarket fuel system filtration that is available now for our 6.7 could we post it in a new thread so we can all see our options??? I filter all my fuel thru an add on Wix fuel filter/water separtor now before it goes in to my aft stock tank. So far never had a drop of water in any of the 3 fuel filters( the one above plus two stock fuel filters). But I'd take more protection anytime before shelling out a HPFP and associated fuel system!!!
Jim
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I was browsing through another site and saw another person with a fuel rail system failure not covered by Ford.
Ford won't fix my fuel system - Ford Powerstroke Diesel Forum
The reason I am posting this is because of one of the members that was banned is a Ford tech and is VERY vocal about his experiences on warranty claims etc.
He is PowerstrokeTech82787...this is the tech I would want working on my truck if it had any issues with the fuel system. Pay particular attention to what he says about the process.
My apologies to the mods if posting this is an issue...I just think it is worth a read.
Ford won't fix my fuel system - Ford Powerstroke Diesel Forum
The reason I am posting this is because of one of the members that was banned is a Ford tech and is VERY vocal about his experiences on warranty claims etc.
He is PowerstrokeTech82787...this is the tech I would want working on my truck if it had any issues with the fuel system. Pay particular attention to what he says about the process.
My apologies to the mods if posting this is an issue...I just think it is worth a read.
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If anyone knows of aftermarket fuel system filtration that is available now for our 6.7 could we post it in a new thread so we can all see our options??? I filter all my fuel thru an add on Wix fuel filter/water separtor now before it goes in to my aft stock tank. So far never had a drop of water in any of the 3 fuel filters( the one above plus two stock fuel filters). But I'd take more protection anytime before shelling out a HPFP and associated fuel system!!!
Jim
Jim
Hope the New Year finds you well...
The problem with placing any additional filters in the fuel stream, up r down from the HPFP is "warranty denial". Ford is playing hardball with their own frailties. Introducing any foreign filter system would give them an immediate out for warranty denial.
Yes, I know about Moss-Magnuson. The problem with that route is unless the filter manufacturer is willing to put his product and likely his business on the line, Ford's deep pockets make that battle a losing one.
Owners have right to expect reliable service from these $50,000 trucks. Even with a small percentage of failures to date, the owners of these trucks should not have to worry that Ford cut the engineering margins to the bone.
Shame on Ford...their loyal customers deserved better than this...
Regards