The issue I am having trouble wrapping my head around is the fact that a bad batch of fuel does $12,000.00 worth of damage to a work truck. I am sure there are more failures on the way. I am not under the impression that this is an epidemic, yet. This system on this truck is not going to go the 200-300k miles that people expect to get out of a $50,000.00 work truck. There were a series of failures that led to this problem, all common place and no protections to stop them. There are no aftermarket pumps available or I would be trying one of those. Ford has trouble coming on this issue.

 

Well, it seems as though some think there is no BIG problem. Are the small problems being handled under warranty? I talked to my dealer last week, he said only a few sensor problems so far, nothing major. I have no doubt there have been some serious fuel and engine problems. The real question then becomes is Ford handling what some call "non-issue" situations in a way we all would want to be treated. These are nice trucks, and I have owned nothing but Ford since 1983. I think that makes me a fairly loyal Ford owner.

These things cost a small fortune, and I only want to know Ford will stand by any problem that is due to a part failure while the truck is under Ford's warranty. I'm not asking for repair of something that is my fault through negligence or stupidity.

So far no problems, not even little ones. And, I don't want any.

Jim

 

exactly...somebody gets it....

Peace

 

I believe there is a documentation stating a aux tank is not recommended by ford,. Because of possible fuel contamination. WHY risk it..on a newly designed engine? if there is a possibility of contaminated fuel...why would ford cover it??

Just like chips....be smart people...stay stock!!

Also, if you think about it,....if bad lubricity is the cause...why should Ford cover that?

Some people don't get it....you get bad fuel....someone has to pay...just not Ford!!

Shane

 

While many like to point their finger that GM has had some failures with theirs as well, would somebody please show me a link showing where Dodge is having these same failures with theirs?

I don't think they are. The Cummins uses a different pump. If they can make their engine meet the same emissions requirements running the same fuel without catastrophic failure with the first drop of water or contamination, then there is absolutely no excuse for Ford not being able to do the same. Like someone else pointed out, how the hell are you supposed to know if the fuel you're buying already has emulsifier in it? Chances are, if you drive the truck long enough you're eventually going to get a bad batch from somewhere.

I want to get into another diesel one day, but for now I'm going to wait and see. If Ford can't make this fuel system more durable and address why the exhaust valves are cracking, I may have to jump ship.

 

It's great that you love your Ford, but come on, dont be blind. I see that Ford states they will void your warranty if your fuel doesn't meet the lubricity standards required for the HPFP. What is standard??? Where are these specs listed? As far as I'm concerned they should be written on the fuel door. I assume that when I pay north of $100 for a tank of fuel that it must be pretty good stuff.

The water seperator should do its job if there is water in fuel, put a sensor in there and shut the truck down if it is this sensitive!

It is one of two things here. Either the water separator is not adequate or Ford used the wrong pump for US fuels. Either way this is Fords fault and any failures other than misfuels (gas, DEF, etc.) should be warranty.

 

Who is having wif??

New to me.

Shane

 

So only auxillary tanks can get contaminants? I've used them for eight years, never had anything in aux or stock tank. I keep aux tank full and it all goes thru 3 filters and 2 water separators before it get to fuel pump. I've never had a drop of water in tanks in 8 years either. Guess I must be lucky, no contaminants here.

Jim

 

Ford said I had water in my fuel...just sayin

The auxiliary fuel tank argument is a red herring...especially the Titan argument. A properly installed Titan tank will not contaminate the fuel

Peace

 

First dealership said you did...then you and I and all found out that was wrong,....so when you say ford...do you mean fordmoco?

Shane

 

Ford should have used a pump that can handle the lubricity of US fuels, no exception! If they didn't then they should at least require the consumer to use an additive. Letting someones truck grenade and handing them a 10K bill is not an option, even if they are only the 1%ers as you like to put it.

With this being said, the only other thing that could cause failure would be water or dirt/sand. We have filters in place to stop these things, so how is it possible to have a failure that isn't covered under warranty?

 

See and a properly tuned chip will not hurt a engine either,...but it can void your warranty and damage that can be related to the chip will be a reason to avoid such aftermarket situations.,,,IMO the Titan is a reason to be turned down,..or an out, if I may.

No options for outs. But that's just me,...imo

To each their own,though.

Shane

 

1% get bad fuel. I'm guessing.

Gm uses same pump.

Shane

 

Guys, really stop the nonsense with this being a Ford problem... it isn't, it's Bosch's problem. Ford subcontracted the whole fuel system with Bosch. Bosch specs the filtering requirements, for sediment, micron size passing of debris on first pass by the fuel filter, and water and moisture containment. It's up to Ford to meet those specifications.

If water is getting through, it's on Ford.
If the fuel filter isn't filtering fine enough , it's on Ford.
If lubricity of fuel is the issue, run 50:1 or 100:1 blend of biodiesel, add a qt or two of biodiesel to every 24 gallons of fuel to get the wear scar down to under 300micron wear scar spec for your diesel fuel.

If you do the above, and your HPFP still poops the bed, like others have with the same family of pump, then the problem is not with your fuel... it's a process of elimination.
These pumps are failing in England, in Canada, and Bosch and the vehicle manufacturers are trying to keep it hush hush.

I don't really want to know how many of these fail in the next year with warranty denial by Ford, but if it's like other Bosch CP4.x HPFP'd vehicles, the results are going to be rather upsetting. There may be a bunch of naysayers, but they will disappear around here, once stung, until they sell off their truck and get their money out of the lemon design Ford bought from Bosch. Bosch makes a ton of money in HPFP's and injectors every time one of their systems fails.

My theory is heat kills these things, it's the start of the cumulative damage. Summer time fuel, and then give it 3 to 5 months lag time from there for the degeneration and failure of the pump to come to completion. July to December is when the dealers get swamped with them.

 

m
Its the American fuel supply and Ford failed to design a system to handle it. If we install an aftermarket intake and a downstream failure happens then they claim it isnt covered, if their filter fails then they dont want to own up to it. They will take whatever stand will benifit them. Their filter fails, its a manufacturing or design defect , then it should be covered.