Statements like this is where we divide. This is divisive, polarizing. Honestly, I don't know where to begin attempting to express how angry this makes me.

Not even gonna try to explain. Just whatever........

Thanks for the info rickatic.

 

Before anyone assumes that the Bosch cp4.2 fuel pump used on the 6.7 is not up to par for the available fuel being used, the GM Duramax uses the same pump. There have been some reports on the Duramax forum on fuel pump failures, but it's only a few.

 

ULSD has been on the horizon since 1991 in Sweden... in large metro areas... And ULSD was in exsistence since dec 27, 1999 when Arco fuels introduced it in certain California markets. You can do a google search for "Arco ECD-1"

Here is a link when BP bought out ARCO and went statewide with the fuel.

BP Global - Press - Committed To Cleaner Environment, BP Begins Selling Ultra Low Sulfur Diesel In California; Converts ARCO Sites To Solar

 

Thank you, Ninerbike...as usual you are on top of the Bosch CP4.xx series tragedy

This link lays to rest the argument that the earlier statements regarding the validity of the aforementioned Bosch fuel scar ratings and the lifespan of their pumps. The linked document is dated September 2009. Here is what was written by Bosch about the issue:

Lubricity: It is essential that the lubricity of the fuel as measured by the HFRR test specified in ISO
12156-1 meets the requirement of a wear scar diameter not greater than 460 microns. In addition, it is
recommended by the Diesel FIE manufacturers, that “first fill” of the fuel tank should be with fuel with
good lubricity characteristics (HFRR < 400 μm) in order to guarantee good “run-in” of the injection system
components. The US diesel specification (ASTM D 975-09) includes a lubricity value of 520 μm maximum
(according to ASTM D 6079). It is expected that the useful operating lifetime of any mechanical
component will be adversely affected by fuel with a lubricity exceeding 460 microns.

The bold red highlight was provided by me. Only 28 months ago, Bosch warned about the life expectancy of their pump and 520 scar fuel...yet Ford blundered on and put a Bosch CP4.2 HPFP on their new engine knowing that the fuel standard in the USA was not conducive to providing a long lifespan for the unsuspecting buyer. I have consistently said the HPFP chosen by Ford was marginal for US fuel...and I stand by that statement...why, because Bosch's own documentation supports that opinion...

I have to wonder how many buyers would have taken such a risk if they were told up front that they were buying a truck that needed a fuel additive crutch to help ward off an expensive breakdown...I suspect that even more would have said no if they knew that Ford was going to weasel out of any warranty claims they could...

Shame on Ford

Regards

 

Hey rickatic...

Do you happen to have a picture of the FORD internals of a Bosch HPFP that went bad? I'd be very interested to see...as I am sure other members would. Thanks.

I agree...one bad batch of fuel...and $12000 to fix...is criminal...IMHO.


biz

 

X2.

I've started typing a response a few times too, but I just end up deleting it. I can't seem to word it in a way that won't be angry or offensive to some here, so like you, rather than fan the flames, I think i'll just choose to say nothing.

 

I've heard of quite a few gm duramax HPFP failures, one of my buds has a 2011 GMC 4x4 thats had its HPFP replaced twice. ( The only difference is that they replaced it no questions asked under warranty)

 

If you read his entire first paragraph, he states he has had no problems with his truck and and appears to be happy with it. Here is the entire sentence:

I may be too close to the negative side of the story to see the intent to be a troublemaker or divider. In reading the post, I see a guy who is happy with his truck but not blind to the fact that the "Ford Shameful Event" could happen to anyone. Those that know me and those that have followed my writings here are well aware that if there ever was a huge Ford 6.7 fan, it was me. I preached the sermons about how great these trucks are and how solid the engine was looking. My musings sold dozens of trucks. On non Ford websites, I was called the Big Ford Drum. If there ever was a loyal Ford truck owner that should have gotten his truck fixed under warranty when the evidence was so much in my favor, you would think it would be me. Ford chose to support a POS dealership and dump on a loyal customer. GCLL is merely taking the same position.

This is a difficult place to be a negative influence. By title, Ford Truck Enthusiasts is a pro Ford, rah,rah rah type of site. That is understood. But when negative stuff happens to loyal owners, the site is going to see the results. Ford could fix this issue...but they lack the courage to do what is right

The verified lost sales to Ford due to my debacle has reached 53...members here can do the math

Shame on Ford

Peace

 

7000 miles and no probs, hopefully datys that way

 

My goal is not to cause hostility on here. I just can't stand seeing people get screwed over and it needs to be known that this type of behavior from ford will not be accepted. Though less money, I went through a similar situation with my 2007 Tundra. I had a failure that they tried to dance there way out of and I had to fight for weeks to get coverage even though it was an obvious defect and changed on the following model year. I also had a valve failure take out a Kawasaki engine on a piece of equipment last year and they tried to tell me my Wix oil filter (non OEM) caused it. I won that fight also.

The bottom line is that these manufacturers will walk on you if you let them.

 

So I get from this that we should use Motorcraft fuel additive, but I can sware I read earlier that using even their additive will void the warranty should there be a problem with the FI system. Can you clarify?

 

Every tank of fuel I have put in the BEAST had a good dose of pm22a sometimes pm23a. I know the dosage but how much can be used? I doubt the dealer first fill was juiced Does these facts mean any failure would be caused by the actions of the dealer? I guess every new truck should be delivered with treated fuel and half a bottle of pm22a and directions.

 

Thus rushejj saying that the part he quoted is "where we divide". I don't know how you could possibly read that quote and not take it negatively or be offended by it.

It's one thing to make others aware of a potential problem, it's another thing when two or three individuals beat an entire forum over the head with it day after day after day in an endless personal crusade. Its incredibly tiresome, and twists reality by dominating the forum.

I haven't given a second thought to my 6.7 purchase. Ill buy the best fuel I can, use the PM 22 additive, maintain it properly, make sure my insurance will cover what Ford might not, and drive completely worry free, enjoying every minute of it.

Simple, and my last words on it, I'm sick of the whole thing.

 

IIRC, either the owners manual or the diesel supplement has a section discussing fuel quality. In that section, Ford discusses all the bad things that can happen with substandard fuel/contaminated fuel. They also mention the additive can be used when an owner believes the fuel supply might be substandard.

The real problem is that the owner has no idea if he gets bad fuel. He is just about guaranteed to get fuel that is below Bosch's lubricity requirements for long HPFP life. With the US federal standard for lubricity in ULS diesel fuel about 15% lower than the 460 scar specified by Bosch, diesel fuel suppliers are under no obligation to spend more of their money on adding more lubricity to their fuel...or Cetane improvement for that matter. Ford knew the fuel was substandard when they chose the Bosch pump...but unsuspecting owners are the ones getting the bill.

Yes, most trucks will likely survive the poor fuel exposure...but who is next for the "Shameful Ford Event"?

Shame on Ford

Peace

 

I still do not see the divisiveness in GCLL post. His clarification seems to agree with my opinion...

...but never lose sight of the fact that you could be next...

Peace