2011 fuel system issues
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Regarding few if any GM failures. it was surmised on a VW forum that possibly some manufacturers that are not exhibiting significant failures with 4.1 and 4.2 pumps are specing the pump from Bosch with a harder surface coating on the cam roller to reduce the wear on the pumps they buy from Bosch for their North American bound products.
I wonder if this is possibly true with the GM products
I wonder if this is possibly true with the GM products
Houston, we got a problem...
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If you read the NHTSA documents on the failures, Bosch had 3 HPFP revisions between May of 2008 and November of 2010 to make the pump "more robust". 2011 and 2012 TDI's still exhibit HPFP failures. I would have to believe that Bosch transferred those revisions to the 2011's and 2012 Ford 6.7's, which are still failing.
Houston, we got a problem...
Houston, we got a problem...
FMC needs to get their head our of their a$$.
Might be why in my home state, AK, COP and BP just replaced several dozen fleet super duties with Ram Heavy Duties.
I just wish Ram would have put DEF in their 2012 model year.
Has anyone found a good after market folks installing more robust / proven HPFP's and/or fuel filtration systems?
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Its infuriating that FMC knows this pump is a problem yet they refuse to take ownership of this issue. No recall. Not even a part change. At least put more robust units in the new trucks rolling off the assembly line. Then at least when you finally do whats right and recall the unite that are out there you have fewer units to replace.
FMC needs to get their head our of their a$$.
Might be why in my home state, AK, COP and BP just replaced several dozen fleet's super duties with Ram Heavy Duties.
I just wish Ram would have put DEF in their 2012 model year.
Has anyone found an good after market folks installing more robust / proven HPFP's and/or fuel filtration systems?
FMC needs to get their head our of their a$$.
Might be why in my home state, AK, COP and BP just replaced several dozen fleet's super duties with Ram Heavy Duties.
I just wish Ram would have put DEF in their 2012 model year.
Has anyone found an good after market folks installing more robust / proven HPFP's and/or fuel filtration systems?
Difficult if not impossible to do, Bosch designs the whole injection system, it's an integrated package, pump, nozzles, piezo injectors, brain, software, fueling maps, DPF regen maps, etc, etc, etc.
It would take a miracle for it to happen, and Bosch isn't owning up to the design being possibly ruled defective by NHTSA... why should they, they have gotten away with it for 4 years with VAG, why start now? Ford needs to sh8t can the 4.X series of Bosch pumps and go with something else more fail proof on North American diesel fuel.
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With all this information I know now about this hpfp....it would not effect my decision in the least bit.
I would still buy the new superduty and not worry. I'm soo fortunate to have this awesome truck that I drive daily...35,000 miles and stronger and more reliable than ever!!
Ford hit a homerun with these trucks!
Go Ford!
Shane
I would still buy the new superduty and not worry. I'm soo fortunate to have this awesome truck that I drive daily...35,000 miles and stronger and more reliable than ever!!
Ford hit a homerun with these trucks!
Go Ford!
Shane
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With all this information I know now about this hpfp....it would not effect my decision in the least bit.
I would still buy the new superduty and not worry. I'm soo fortunate to have this awesome truck that I drive daily...35,000 miles and stronger and more reliable than ever!!
Ford hit a homerun with these trucks!
Go Ford!
Shane
I would still buy the new superduty and not worry. I'm soo fortunate to have this awesome truck that I drive daily...35,000 miles and stronger and more reliable than ever!!
Ford hit a homerun with these trucks!
Go Ford!
Shane
Wow. 35k miles and no 12k repair yet.... you must be proud. When expectations are low, its easy to be satisfied I guess.
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In other words,..these minor distractions are nothing. Water off a ducks back.
No worries here.
Jealousy?
Shane
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I find it ironic that Ford and International ended up at odds over reliability issues with the 6.0l and to a much less degree the 6.4 and now they look like they are going down the same road with Bosch towards the same but different results with another supplier.
How sad!
How sad!
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I find it ironic that Ford and International ended up at odds over reliability issues with the 6.0l and to a much less degree the 6.4 and now they look like they are going down the same road with Bosch towards the same but different results with another supplier.
How sad!
How sad!
Seriously!!
Shane
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Seriously, I hope your right!!! only time will tell, regardless it's not a non-issue to everyone that gets a $12,000 bill handed to them when warranty is denied.
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It's been time......AGAIN,.....NOT saying what happened to Rick is not painful...but your original post is how things get out of control.
I believe time is on my side on this issue.
Shane
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I have spoken to two huge dealers of Ford superdutys in the dfw area.....this IS a Non-issue. Every time someone brings this up I believe it's un warranted. I know it has happened. I know it might happen again,..but it's not a massive problem,IMO. If it were there would be hundreds and hundreds of people complaining.......plus the word of mouth would spread like wildfire. The6.0 was a huge problem even the techs admitted it....these trucks have been out over well over a year and a half....IT'S A NON ISSUE.
Shane
Shane
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I have spoken to two huge dealers of Ford superdutys in the dfw area.....this IS a Non-issue. Every time someone brings this up I believe it's un warranted. I know it has happened. I know it might happen again,..but it's not a massive problem,IMO. If it were there would be hundreds and hundreds of people complaining.......plus the word of mouth would spread like wildfire. The6.0 was a huge problem even the techs admitted it....these trucks have been out over well over a year and a half....IT'S A NON ISSUE.
Shane
Shane
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Pffft, I know folks with VW's that said the same as you... always someone elses problem. If we believe Tom, it's the fuel, and the DFW area of TX must be wonderful... not all of us fill up in DFW. One area doesn't define success or failure, gotta look at the big picture. There's some folks in MI that would disagree with you, respected folks around here.
More than the few......NEXT!!
Maybe just maybe Rick got bad fuel.....like low lubricity...not Ford fault. ot Ricks fault.
The point is...there is no mass failures all over the US. You cannot prove that.
So go back to the VW website and keep spewing your venom over there.
Unless of course...you have factual things to say.
Shane
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I find it interesting that this thread had 6 pages of posts, 3,100 views and exactly 3 people admitting they've had this problem...and one of the three had a documented case of bad diesel prior to the failure. On face value it doesn't look like this is a rampant issue does it? Of course we can't ignore the cases that did happen or how very badly they were treated but is the sky really falling?
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The sky isn't falling but I wouldn't call this a non issue. Anyone can get bad fuel at any time without knowing and the pump is set to fail. There doesn't appear to be any margin for error.
I wouldn't trust the dealers telling you this is a non issue. They normally act like failures are one of a kind even if they have three sitting out back.
My local dealer admitted to one failure and they blamed it on a Titan tank, no warranty.
I wouldn't trust the dealers telling you this is a non issue. They normally act like failures are one of a kind even if they have three sitting out back.
My local dealer admitted to one failure and they blamed it on a Titan tank, no warranty.