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Old Sep 10, 2009 | 11:06 PM
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Originally Posted by bill11012
that is funny that you say " more power" . The V10 has more. 97-99 they had 30 more than the 7.3, 00-04 70 more, and 05- 127 more.
What is your point of incessantly stirring up things on web forum? I have pulled the same load with a v10 and a 6.4 PSD and it is night and day from both power, RPMs, and fuel mileage.

You probably know more about these motors than I do seeing I just have owned and used both over a 3 yr period, each. But, if gas is so great at pulling and long term use, why is nearly every heavy duty commercial application diesel: Semis, Work Boats, Cargo Ships, etc. I really don't know the answer and would like your thoughts on this.

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Old Sep 10, 2009 | 11:08 PM
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Originally Posted by bill11012
Sorry, but a stock 7.3 will not out tow a V10.
And what's the resale/longevity of a 6 yr old v10 compared to a 6yr old 7.3? Alas, you can out-pull a 7.3 with your v10 and that makes sense since we all buy diesels for speed. Oh wait....
 
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Old Sep 10, 2009 | 11:19 PM
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Originally Posted by dwilliamsceg
What is your point of incessantly stirring up things on web forum? I have pulled the same load with a v10 and a 6.4 PSD and it is night and day from both power, RPMs, and fuel mileage.

You probably know more about these motors than I do seeing I just have owned and used both over a 3 yr period, each. But, if gas is so great at pulling and long term use, why is nearly every heavy duty commercial application diesel: Semis, Work Boats, Cargo Ships, etc. I really don't know the answer and would like your thoughts on this.

D.
Power, the same year V10 has more than the 6.4.
Rpm, the V10 is made to pull at a high RPM, the 6.4 at a low RPM. that is not something that matters.
MPG, you got me beat there.
 
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Old Sep 10, 2009 | 11:22 PM
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Originally Posted by dwilliamsceg
And what's the resale/longevity of a 6 yr old v10 compared to a 6yr old 7.3? Alas, you can out-pull a 7.3 with your v10 and that makes sense since we all buy diesels for speed. Oh wait....
I don't plan to sell my truck, It has a lot left in it at 11 years old, so Resale is meaningless to me.
Besides, the V10 cost so much less in the beginning that it makes up for it.
 
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Old Sep 10, 2009 | 11:38 PM
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Originally Posted by bill11012
Power, the same year V10 has more than the 6.4.
Rpm, the V10 is made to pull at a high RPM, the 6.4 at a low RPM. that is not something that matters.
MPG, you got me beat there.
So your v10 has as much power as a Cargo ship's diesel twins?
 
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Old Sep 10, 2009 | 11:39 PM
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Originally Posted by bill11012
I don't plan to sell my truck, It has a lot left in it at 11 years old, so Resale is meaningless to me.
Besides, the V10 cost so much less in the beginning that it makes up for it.
Have you ever pulled with a diesel? If not, I will let you come and try it out.
 
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Old Sep 10, 2009 | 11:41 PM
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What? OK, does your 6.4 or 6.0 have more power than a cargo ships twin diesels?
 
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Old Sep 10, 2009 | 11:43 PM
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Originally Posted by bill11012
What? OK, does your 6.4 or 6.0 have more power than a cargo ships twin diesels?
No, but you ignored my question about why diesel technology is used in favor gasoline on heavy duty, industrial applications. Here is what I originally asked and you did not address.

"You probably know more about these motors than I do seeing I just have owned and used both over a 3 yr period, each. But, if gas is so great at pulling and long term use, why is nearly every heavy duty commercial application diesel: Semis, Work Boats, Cargo Ships, etc. I really don't know the answer and would like your thoughts on this."
 
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Old Sep 10, 2009 | 11:45 PM
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Originally Posted by bill11012
Power, the same year V10 has more than the 6.4.
Rpm, the V10 is made to pull at a high RPM, the 6.4 at a low RPM. that is not something that matters.
MPG, you got me beat there.
How are you measuring power? If by HP, do you know how HP is derived?
 
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Old Sep 10, 2009 | 11:47 PM
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No, but you ignored my question about why diesel technology is used in favor gasoline on heavy duty, industrial applications. Here is what I originally asked and you did not address.

"You probably know more about these motors than I do seeing I just have owned and used both over a 3 yr period, each. But, if gas is so great at pulling and long term use, why is nearly every heavy duty commercial application diesel: Semis, Work Boats, Cargo Ships, etc. I really don't know the answer and would like your thoughts on this."
In commercial applications they are better. You do know your PSD is not any thing like them, right?
 
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Old Sep 10, 2009 | 11:49 PM
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Originally Posted by dwilliamsceg
How are you measuring power? If by HP, do you know how HP is derived?
I do know, It comes from tq X RPM = HP. the V10 has its tq peak at a much higher RPM, And has 12 more HP.
 
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Old Sep 10, 2009 | 11:53 PM
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I will help you out on my question above. These are not my opinion. Google can help you out.

1. Diesels are built heavier due to higher compression.
2. Diesels produce a comparable amount of power output at much lower RPM which extends engine life.
3. Diesel fuel itself has a higher lubricity than gasoline
4. No ignition system to tune or replace.
5. On a ship, diesel is much safer do to its lower flash point and less noxious fumes
6. Diesel fuel has a higher energy capacity than gasoline (more energy per gallon, etc.)
(there's a bunch more).

I love the v10 and I love the PSD. Different tools for different needs and different budgets. You can keep up your puffery and making ridiculous claims or you can actually do some research. Remember the old quote "Better to remain silent and be thought the fool than to open your mouth and prove it"?.....
 
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Old Sep 10, 2009 | 11:58 PM
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Originally Posted by bill11012
In commercial applications they are better. You do know your PSD is not any thing like them, right?
You do know that the 6.4 is used, in very similar form to the PSD, for commercial applications. Here is the link. Please start researching before you make your inane statements. Google is free. Try it out. It helps find information on the Internet.

http://www.maxxforce.com/Application...ct/MaxxForce_7

Dave.

P.S. Maxxforce is a Navistar brand.
 
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Old Sep 11, 2009 | 12:02 AM
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Power Output: 200-230 hp (149 - 171 kW) @ 2,600 rpm
I took that from the link. My V10 makes 265, a new V10 makes 362.
 
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Old Sep 11, 2009 | 12:19 AM
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Originally Posted by bill11012
Power Output: 200-230 hp (149 - 171 kW) @ 2,600 rpm
I took that from the link. My V10 makes 265, a new V10 makes 362.
According to your logic, the new V10 motor is more powerful than a C9 Cat since it has more HP:
http://ohe.cat.com/cda/layout?m=85521&x=7

Feel free to ignore my previous posts.

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