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Old Sep 12, 2009 | 03:36 PM
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Uh-oh, better modify your sig line...
Now thats funny!
 
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Old Sep 12, 2009 | 03:54 PM
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Originally Posted by 02GrayPowerStroke
Now thats funny!
haha, it kinda is.
 
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Old Sep 12, 2009 | 04:18 PM
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I'll throw my hat in the ring, only read the past few pages, so I don't know if this has been stated. Diesel fuel contains roughly 12% more BTUs per volume than gasoline.
 
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Old Sep 12, 2009 | 05:21 PM
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My V10 has 20% more cylinders.
 
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Old Sep 12, 2009 | 05:38 PM
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Originally Posted by agg_bagg
they will slide before they tip usually.
I like that "usually". Heh heh. That is a mighty big "usually"!

Originally Posted by bill11012
but I like it the way it is.
In other words, you like stirring it up.

Originally Posted by bill11012
My V10 has 20% more cylinders.
See above, re: stirring it up. Oh, and check your math, a V10 has 25% more cylinders than a PSD. A PSD has 20% fewer cylinders than a V10. The diesel guys could argue that they get the same or more work done with fewer cylinders.
 
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Old Sep 12, 2009 | 05:50 PM
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Originally Posted by KelVarnson

See above, re: stirring it up. Oh, and check your math, a V10 has 25% more cylinders than a PSD. A PSD has 20% fewer cylinders than a V10. The diesel guys could argue that they get the same or more work done with fewer cylinders.
Not to mention more displacement with two fewer cylinders....in a higher compression motor...with a turbo.

Why are we still having this argument? lol
 
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Old Sep 12, 2009 | 05:51 PM
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Originally Posted by bill11012
My V10 has 20% more cylinders.
That argument works about as well as me saying that my psd has 33% more cylinders than Crazy's Kenworth.
 
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Old Sep 12, 2009 | 06:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Smokin'
Why are we still having this argument? lol
"Still"? I got a feeling it is just getting started again. I have a hunch that some people from the 7.3 forum have come over here with a jumbo can o' whoop-***.

Gonna go make some popcorn now...
 
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Old Sep 12, 2009 | 09:09 PM
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Originally Posted by KelVarnson
"I have a hunch that some people from the 7.3 forum have come over here with a jumbo can o' whoop-***.

Gonna go make some popcorn now...
I think that may be my fault.
 
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Old Sep 12, 2009 | 09:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Rush117
That argument works about as well as me saying that my psd has 33% more cylinders than Crazy's Kenworth.
Ah, but unless you have an '08, my KW has 100% more turbos!
 
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Old Sep 12, 2009 | 10:03 PM
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Originally Posted by jdadamsjr
Joe, Am in the dfw area too...

Already asked and offered MANY times - but no takers

Wonder why ?

And love the cat footage - worried it was going to tip over there for a sec ! ! !

Wasn't sure how far they could lean safely.....

Witnessed a crane tip over at a construction site once.... BIG operator error there...
glad I was on the "correct" side !
I used to operate heavy equipment. That was a tiny cat and nowhere near tipping. They used to put me on sidehills so steep they would slide sideways once in a while. It was pretty scary but I was young and dumb then. They couldn't pay me enough to chance it like that now.
 
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Old Sep 12, 2009 | 11:30 PM
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All right, I'm going to end this thread right here.

Here's the deal, all of us V10 owners like the idea of big torque numbers, and turbo whine, and better gas mileage and all that, but we still choose the V10... Want to know why?

Because diesels are a goddamned pain in the ***, and the newer you go, the more so. If anyone gives me argument on this, I'll post up a picture of a 6.4 engine bay. All you basically have to worry about on a V10 is simple maintenance. Change fluids regularly, filters regularly, and your plugs. Now there was some trouble with spitting plugs, but that too can be remedied with simple forethought. Overall, the V10 is dead reliable, easy to live with, and makes comparable power to a diesel, with 100% less of the headache.

Now I was thinking the other day, how cool 650 lb. ft. of torque with a 6.4 would be, and how neat it would be to experience that engine. But then I started thinking about the turbos, the EGR, how damned cramped the engine bay is, the DPF and Ultra Low Sulfur BS, and it just made me realize that it's just not worth the extra headache.

That's why we get V10s, because quite frankly, we deal with enough headaches in our lives. Do we really need another one off an vehicle that is supposed to bring us some joy and happiness, and for others, the bread and butter? I think not.
 
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Old Sep 13, 2009 | 12:11 AM
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Originally Posted by dwilliamsceg
No, but you ignored my question about why diesel technology is used in favor gasoline on heavy duty, industrial applications. Here is what I originally asked and you did not address.

"You probably know more about these motors than I do seeing I just have owned and used both over a 3 yr period, each. But, if gas is so great at pulling and long term use, why is nearly every heavy duty commercial application diesel: Semis, Work Boats, Cargo Ships, etc. I really don't know the answer and would like your thoughts on this."

I am still waiting for Billy or any of the other "my gas kicks your overpriced oil burner" posters to answer the above question. This is the third time asking it.
 
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Old Sep 13, 2009 | 12:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Pinky Demon
All right, I'm going to end this thread right here.

Here's the deal, all of us V10 owners like the idea of big torque numbers, and turbo whine, and better gas mileage and all that, but we still choose the V10... Want to know why?

Because diesels are a goddamned pain in the ***, and the newer you go, the more so. If anyone gives me argument on this, I'll post up a picture of a 6.4 engine bay. All you basically have to worry about on a V10 is simple maintenance. Change fluids regularly, filters regularly, and your plugs. Now there was some trouble with spitting plugs, but that too can be remedied with simple forethought. Overall, the V10 is dead reliable, easy to live with, and makes comparable power to a diesel, with 100% less of the headache.

Now I was thinking the other day, how cool 650 lb. ft. of torque with a 6.4 would be, and how neat it would be to experience that engine. But then I started thinking about the turbos, the EGR, how damned cramped the engine bay is, the DPF and Ultra Low Sulfur BS, and it just made me realize that it's just not worth the extra headache.

That's why we get V10s, because quite frankly, we deal with enough headaches in our lives. Do we really need another one off an vehicle that is supposed to bring us some joy and happiness, and for others, the bread and butter? I think not.
Following your logic, statistically, you should have purchased a Toyota.

Dave.

P.S. I have a 6.4 and have only had to do the same thing you as you state "Change fluids regularly, filters regularly, and your plugs", oh except for the plugs thing.
 
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Old Sep 13, 2009 | 12:23 AM
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Originally Posted by dwilliamsceg
I will help you out on my question above. These are not my opinion. Google can help you out.

1. Diesels are built heavier due to higher compression.
2. Diesels produce a comparable amount of power output at much lower RPM which extends engine life.
3. Diesel fuel itself has a higher lubricity than gasoline
4. No ignition system to tune or replace.
5. On a ship, diesel is much safer do to its lower flash point and less noxious fumes
6. Diesel fuel has a higher energy capacity than gasoline (more energy per gallon, etc.)
(there's a bunch more).

I love the v10 and I love the PSD. Different tools for different needs and different budgets. You can keep up your puffery and making ridiculous claims or you can actually do some research. Remember the old quote "Better to remain silent and be thought the fool than to open your mouth and prove it"?.....
And since I know BillTroll will not actually answer my question two items above, I will repost my answer that he nor none of the gassers commented. I will restate that I used to have a v10 and loved it but for the gas crowd to call the 6.4 a POS, say it sucks, or that it can be outpulled by a v10 is absurb. I know BillTroll is doing this for his own amusement and I also know that you aren't supposed to feed trolls, but I am enjoying this and I actually want him to answer any of my questions as his reponses are usually entertaining in their inaccuracy. Example "In commercial applications they are better. You do know your PSD is not any thing like them, right".
 
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