I think fuel issues and the PSD and V10 are interesting and related ?

thats why I am not a MOD

oh and they didn't ask me to be one either lol

 

And 5 years ago, everyone was saying "buy a house while you still can afford it" and 12 years ago, everyone was saying "put all your money in stocks, they will constantly get 10% return no matter what." So, yes, history does repeat itself. Though if/when oil/gas crash, it will affect a lot less people negatively than the housing and stock market crashes.

Kind of funny, I am in Ponca City this week and there is a monster Conoco refinery here. From driving by both sides of it, it appears the majority of their land is in oil and/or gas storage tanks. Wonder why that is? I know all three refineries in Billings, MT have been rapidly expanding thier storage. Think the gas companies are holding back their inventory to ramp up demand? Hmmmm.

And Krewat, this is relevant in that the discussion changes drastically based on diesel price compared to gas. Would it even be a discussion if we went to 1998 prices of 1.09/1.14/1.19 for gas and .89 for diesel? No, then not only would the diesel be more efficient, it would be way cheaper. Even with premium at 3.49 and diesel at 3.79 it is a different argument than 1.49 and 1.79. (Different percentages, where the 3.49/3.79 the diesel would be less to operate but at 1.49/1.79 the gas would be cheaper (not taking into account maintenance or upfront costs)).



P.S. Don't grill me if the numbers don't line up properly, we are all adults and hopefully realize I am using hypothetical numbers to illustrate a point.

 

Too bad you can't NOT take into account all of the maintenance issues with the 6 leaker, the cab-lifter-regen-sootbagger 6.4, or the urea tank-unknown future 6.2. But you can look at the low maintenance cost of the Triton engines and the utmost reliability of the V-10. You take the power and "efficiency" of diesel, less reliabiltyand high maintenance, and I'll take the slightly higher mileage and the MUCH higher reliability. No problem, I'll get there, maybe a little later, but I'll probably pass you one the side of the road with your 6 leaker puking.

 

Ah, I see, avoiding the discussion. LOL But if diesel was .89 and gas was 1.09, the $2,000 for the head studs, exhaust, and custom tune would be paid back quickly. Especially when my 6.0 got 18-20 unloaded on the freeway and 9 towing my brick wall at 70 mph. The v10 might get 13 or 14 unloaded and 5 towing my brick wall at 70 mph.

You can do the math. Even if you pay a professional shop $4,000 for the upgrades it would still be a no brainer.

But different strokes for different folks. I like getting 240 miles towing my brick wall at 70 mph while a gasser would get 150 or so (yes I have towed it with a couple gassers). I tow through Montana frequently and don't like having to worry if I am going to make the next gas station.

 

No, you just worry if your 6 leaker will make it period, I understand. But then I see you sold your 6 leaker, what are you driving now?

 

Haha, yeah I won't argue that. I even worried about it after I did my mods. It got me everywhere, I was just a truck hypochondriac. But I got mine up to 130,000 miles and decided I wanted a newer truck, so I got a 2008 Duramax, for a couple reasons.

1) my wife hated driving the Ford and the Chevy drives more like a car. Since she drives it somewhat often when I am gone and it is a pavement princess, I went with the Chevy. Gotta keep with wifey happy.

2) the Ford in 2008-2010 had worse fuel mileage than the Duramax. I still get 18 at 70 unloaded and can get 20 going 60 (hand calc on a program on my phone, not the instant mpg on my dash LOL). I also get the same 9 mpg towing my toy hauler.

I did consider getting the V10 as it would tow my toy hauler fairly well. But the deciding factor for me was fuel range and the fact I frequently tow over mountain passes at up to 7,500 feet and don't like to run at 4,500 rpms for an extended period (yes I know it was built for that... haha)

If I towed at low elevation and flatter areas then I would probably be in the v10 just from a maintenance point of view.

 

Yea, but diesel is not .89. Its over $4 in places.

My worst ever fuel mileage towing is 7.

 

I just logged 12.5 MPG pulling a 4x4 F-350 into an awful headwind. (1000+ deg Egts on flat ground.....

 

I'm anxious to see what a long term tow for 7500 miles hauling my 30' Airstream will be, mileage wise. I just put on a set of Michelin LTX M/S-2, changed to oil with Chevron 5-30 dino and getting the trailer ready to go next week. I'm sure glad I'm not driving a 6 leaker, I'd never make it.

 

That's pretty good averaging 45 mph.

 

What speed and what type trailer?

 

Yeah, but my toy hauler is another animal. Not aerodynamic in any way. My Chevy 6.0 gas could get 7 at 55 mph, 5 and 70. Every truck that has towed it has been bad.

The diesel prices were for making a point. We don't know where fuel prices are going. They way technology is, this might be a mute point 10 years from now.

Haha, come on, the 6.0 isn't that bad. Plenty have made it 300,000 miles plus, we just get to hear the problem ones on here.

 

My worst ever towing was 11ish when I first got the X and was towing with OD off (like you were supposed to years ago). After doing some reading I started towing with OD on and my mileage went to a solid 14.5 moving along between 65-70mph with the rig in my avatar. Loaded X, loaded 25'TT, loaded 16' boat.

 

I was cruising at 65 mph in 5th gear. (2200 rpm) 8 psi of boost.

65 mph and it was on a flatbed twin axle bumper pull trailer. (about 2000 lb trailer) I'll see if I can get a pic or two loaded up.

 

One of my 7 MPG runs was 75-80 with an F350 into a head wind.

It was on a double axle bumper pull that weighs 1600 lbs and the truck weighed in at 8,400. Big brush guard and 8'6" flat bed with a head acke rack. If it was just a pickup and I had driven 65 I could have made 9 mpgs.