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Old Dec 24, 2009 | 04:24 PM
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Hey bill what part of texas are you from? I usually drive down 77 from rockdale to victoria about once a month. Didnt know if you were anywhere close by.
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I am in Georgetown, about 40 miles from Rockdale.
Porch, do you have a PSD or V10? If you have a PSD, looks like we might have found someone to run a few hills with Bill?
 
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Old Dec 24, 2009 | 08:30 PM
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Porch, do you have a PSD or V10? If you have a PSD, looks like we might have found someone to run a few hills with Bill?
IIRC He has an 06 6.0, which will out pull my early V10.

I need an 05- V10 for that.

I will still pull hills with him, but he has more gears, more HP and more tq.
 
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Old Dec 24, 2009 | 09:38 PM
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Haha, I promise a 2005 v10 will not keep up a 6.0 Bill. But we do need a group to go pull hills. I am tired of reading a bunch of bench racers talk semantics on engines.
 
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Old Dec 24, 2009 | 09:45 PM
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Originally Posted by 2001400ex
Haha, I promise a 2005 v10 will not keep up a 6.0 Bill. But we do need a group to go pull hills. I am tired of reading a bunch of bench racers talk semantics on engines.
It will out pull a 6.4, so why will it not outpull a less powerful 6.0?
 
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Old Dec 24, 2009 | 10:18 PM
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We need to go down that road again? LOL yes a magazine did take a dually 1 ton diesel and it was going the same speed after 700 feet as a 3/4 ton srw v10. Though the v10 took longer to get there.

If you are using that as your source it is wrong. If not, then post your source.
 
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Old Dec 24, 2009 | 10:26 PM
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Originally Posted by 2001400ex
We need to go down that road again? LOL yes a magazine did take a dually 1 ton diesel and it was going the same speed after 700 feet as a 3/4 ton srw v10. Though the v10 took longer to get there.

If you are using that as your source it is wrong. If not, then post your source.
Ok, first, the V10 took longer but was going faster and still gaining speed after the PSD hit a wall. If the track was longer or if the test started already at highway speed, it would have trashed the 6.4.

Second what makes it wrong, because the V10 won? lol
 
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Old Dec 24, 2009 | 10:43 PM
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Ok, first, the V10 took longer but was going faster and still gaining speed after the PSD hit a wall. If the track was longer it would have trashed the 6.4.

Second what makes it wrong, because the V10 won? lol
It was a 15 degree hill, which makes no sense. Second, the diesel weighed 1,170 more pounds. Third the diesel is less wind resistant. Fourth the diesel beat it to the top by 5 seconds. Fifth, how do we know that was not the wall for the v10 too?

I thought all this had been covered?
 
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Old Dec 24, 2009 | 10:52 PM
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Originally Posted by bill11012
It will out pull a 6.4, so why will it not outpull a less powerful 6.0?
You thinkm your V 10 will out pull a 6.4 Thats the best Joke I have heard today
 
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Old Dec 24, 2009 | 11:02 PM
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Originally Posted by 2001400ex
It was a 15 degree hill, which makes no sense.
So, to be fair it must be flat ground or a shallow hill?

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Second, the diesel weighed 1,170 more pounds.
We can agree on that, they should have put 670 pounds in the bed of the V10 truck. The rest of the difference is the lighter motor.

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Third the diesel is less wind resistant.
I think towing 10K up a 15 degree grade from a dead stop that does not matter.

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Fourth the diesel beat it to the top by 5 seconds.
On a 700' track. It was gaining on it fast once it really got the load going.


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Fifth, how do we know that was not the wall for the v10 too?
The magazine that did the test said it was still pulling when they got to the top, the 6.4 was maxed out at a slower speed..



I wish they would redo the test, 15 MPH rolling start, identical trucks, 1/4 mile 15% grade.

Then the V10 would be the clear winner and the PSD guys would have to forever stfu about different weight, gearing, the turbo was not spooled up, even though I was going slower and the V10 was gaining speed I still got to the top first, etc.
 
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Old Dec 24, 2009 | 11:04 PM
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Originally Posted by weekendwarriorfsw32
You thinkm your V 10 will out pull a 6.4 Thats the best Joke I have heard today
Haha, not mine, but an 05-10 3V V10 will.
 
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Old Dec 25, 2009 | 12:17 AM
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Originally Posted by bill11012
So, to be fair it must be flat ground or a shallow hill?



We can agree on that, they should have put 670 pounds in the bed of the V10 truck. The rest of the difference is the lighter motor.



I think towing 10K up a 15 degree grade from a dead stop that does not matter.



On a 700' track. It was gaining on it fast once it really got the load going.




The magazine that did the test said it was still pulling when they got to the top, the 6.4 was maxed out at a slower speed..



I wish they would redo the test, 15 MPH rolling start, identical trucks, 1/4 mile 15% grade.

Then the V10 would be the clear winner and the PSD guys would have to forever stfu about different weight, gearing, the turbo was not spooled up, even though I was going slower and the V10 was gaining speed I still got to the top first, etc.
The v10 was down 4.57 seconds at 656 feet and 4.78 seconds at the end at 800 feet. I do not see that as "gaining on it real fast". Here is the test again. Though we need another forum run.

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Old Dec 25, 2009 | 12:46 AM
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"The F-350's( 6.4 psd) speedo barely inched up from 100-m to 250-m, while the F-250 (v10)gained over 6-mph."

If they had done the test with the trucks at speed or on and longer track the V10 would have been the winner in both speed and time, the 6.4s low end TQ is much better than a V10s off the line, which gave it the upper hand in the test.
 
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Old Dec 25, 2009 | 01:39 AM
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Well when u find a 15% grade for 800 feet with a stop light at the bottom then we can call that test meaningful. Until then, in my world, I tow 6 to 7% grades frequently but they are several miles long. When you show me a test where a v10 wins that, then you can say the v10 outpulled the 6.4.

That test is worthless. But regardless, it definitely did not show that the v10 won.
 
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Old Dec 25, 2009 | 09:25 AM
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I talked to santa last night. He prefers the V10 because he only buys fuel once a year, and the sound of the powerstroke would wake up the children.
 
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Old Dec 25, 2009 | 09:42 AM
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Yeah, real world. We average 50mph or less in daily driving, start and stop, you don't do jackrabbit starts or try to race up a hill. You try to maintain speed and on a steep hill holding 55-65 is harder than WOT seeing if you can go faster.

I know the V10 is a strong motor but it can't drive like a diesel does in every day situations. The idea of outpulling should be applied to how easy it is to go through 8 traffic lights, go 55 mph on two lane highways, and maintain safe speed on the interstates. Any motor will do it but the PSD requires less work for the operator.
 
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