Gas vs PSD
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Good luck of finding definition of "engine conversion"
Per all applications I have seen so far, the converted engines can be run on both modes and can be easily converted back.
Good luck running diesel with spark plugs
Per all applications I have seen so far, the converted engines can be run on both modes and can be easily converted back.
Good luck running diesel with spark plugs
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Good luck running diesel with spark plug.
The definition of conversion is not void just because you put "engine" before or after it.
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I just bought my 6.4 F250 2 weeks ago and I love it. The towing is remarkable. Show me the stock gas engine that makes this much peak torque at 2000 rpm...
Pretty soon all these diesel nuances will become second nature.
Pretty soon all these diesel nuances will become second nature.
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Diesels don't need sparkplugs to run LPG or Propane. Sure, that is one option, but use of a fogger and pilot injection of diesel is another option. Also, a dedicated LPG/Propane injection system is another.
The fact of the matter is that both engines have their benefits and drawbacks. I think that as the ICE continues to evolve to meet the emissions and efficiency requirements of the future, we'll see the two designs fuse together and there won't be "gas" or "diesel" engines as we know them. There are prototype designs by many manufacturers that use variable compression ratios, dual fueling (gasoline and diesel), high pressure staged turbocharging, spark plugs that also function as glowplugs, and of course the requisite variable valve timing and lift, variable intake runners, etc. We are already seeing the very beginnings of it now. Gasoline direct injection anyone? This allows 12:1 compression and 15 pounds of boost (or more, they are just scratching the surface). No detonation, because like a diesel, only air gets compressed. Then fuel is injected and sprayed right across the spark plug which ignites the gasoline and the injector sprays fuel on the fireball. No chance of detonation with this setup.
The fact of the matter is that both engines have their benefits and drawbacks. I think that as the ICE continues to evolve to meet the emissions and efficiency requirements of the future, we'll see the two designs fuse together and there won't be "gas" or "diesel" engines as we know them. There are prototype designs by many manufacturers that use variable compression ratios, dual fueling (gasoline and diesel), high pressure staged turbocharging, spark plugs that also function as glowplugs, and of course the requisite variable valve timing and lift, variable intake runners, etc. We are already seeing the very beginnings of it now. Gasoline direct injection anyone? This allows 12:1 compression and 15 pounds of boost (or more, they are just scratching the surface). No detonation, because like a diesel, only air gets compressed. Then fuel is injected and sprayed right across the spark plug which ignites the gasoline and the injector sprays fuel on the fireball. No chance of detonation with this setup.
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Diesels don't need sparkplugs to run LPG or Propane. Sure, that is one option, but use of a fogger and pilot injection of diesel is another option. Also, a dedicated LPG/Propane injection system is another.
The fact of the matter is that both engines have their benefits and drawbacks. I think that as the ICE continues to evolve to meet the emissions and efficiency requirements of the future, we'll see the two designs fuse together and there won't be "gas" or "diesel" engines as we know them. There are prototype designs by many manufacturers that use variable compression ratios, dual fueling (gasoline and diesel), high pressure staged turbocharging, spark plugs that also function as glowplugs, and of course the requisite variable valve timing and lift, variable intake runners, etc. We are already seeing the very beginnings of it now. Gasoline direct injection anyone? This allows 12:1 compression and 15 pounds of boost (or more, they are just scratching the surface). No detonation, because like a diesel, only air gets compressed. Then fuel is injected and sprayed right across the spark plug which ignites the gasoline and the injector sprays fuel on the fireball. No chance of detonation with this setup.
The fact of the matter is that both engines have their benefits and drawbacks. I think that as the ICE continues to evolve to meet the emissions and efficiency requirements of the future, we'll see the two designs fuse together and there won't be "gas" or "diesel" engines as we know them. There are prototype designs by many manufacturers that use variable compression ratios, dual fueling (gasoline and diesel), high pressure staged turbocharging, spark plugs that also function as glowplugs, and of course the requisite variable valve timing and lift, variable intake runners, etc. We are already seeing the very beginnings of it now. Gasoline direct injection anyone? This allows 12:1 compression and 15 pounds of boost (or more, they are just scratching the surface). No detonation, because like a diesel, only air gets compressed. Then fuel is injected and sprayed right across the spark plug which ignites the gasoline and the injector sprays fuel on the fireball. No chance of detonation with this setup.
Yeah, well I have 1100 miles on my 6.4...
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You truck is that new and you're running it at the beach? I hope your really qashing it well underneath...
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New vs. old doesn't matter to me, in fact I would say a newer truck would offer better corrosion resistance than an older one. That said, of course I wash it afterwards, I live 20min from the beach, we're not tourists.
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Well, after living here for 18 years and never a spot of rust on any vehicle we have owned... I guess we are just REALLY LUCKY! Maybe I should have just gotten a 4x2 and live in fear of the elements like some of you.
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I never saw really rusty vehicles when I lived on the coast. Sure the really old one yes. But its nothing Like the Guys who live in near the Great lakes where they Salt the roads down during the winter.
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Diesels don't need sparkplugs to run LPG or Propane. Sure, that is one option, but use of a fogger and pilot injection of diesel is another option. Also, a dedicated LPG/Propane injection system is another.
The fact of the matter is that both engines have their benefits and drawbacks. I think that as the ICE continues to evolve to meet the emissions and efficiency requirements of the future, we'll see the two designs fuse together and there won't be "gas" or "diesel" engines as we know them. There are prototype designs by many manufacturers that use variable compression ratios, dual fueling (gasoline and diesel), high pressure staged turbocharging, spark plugs that also function as glowplugs, and of course the requisite variable valve timing and lift, variable intake runners, etc. We are already seeing the very beginnings of it now. Gasoline direct injection anyone? This allows 12:1 compression and 15 pounds of boost (or more, they are just scratching the surface). No detonation, because like a diesel, only air gets compressed. Then fuel is injected and sprayed right across the spark plug which ignites the gasoline and the injector sprays fuel on the fireball. No chance of detonation with this setup.
The fact of the matter is that both engines have their benefits and drawbacks. I think that as the ICE continues to evolve to meet the emissions and efficiency requirements of the future, we'll see the two designs fuse together and there won't be "gas" or "diesel" engines as we know them. There are prototype designs by many manufacturers that use variable compression ratios, dual fueling (gasoline and diesel), high pressure staged turbocharging, spark plugs that also function as glowplugs, and of course the requisite variable valve timing and lift, variable intake runners, etc. We are already seeing the very beginnings of it now. Gasoline direct injection anyone? This allows 12:1 compression and 15 pounds of boost (or more, they are just scratching the surface). No detonation, because like a diesel, only air gets compressed. Then fuel is injected and sprayed right across the spark plug which ignites the gasoline and the injector sprays fuel on the fireball. No chance of detonation with this setup.
Some of the Older Duece and Half military trucks Had Multi fuel Engines in them and that was 20-30 years ago.
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Word. I'll take a few trips to the beach over 3 months of driving on salty roads on any vehicle. Maybe they should stay home too.
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Don't new vehicles now have a 7/200k corrosion/rust through warranty on them?