I don't understand what your saying. You know of 1 v10 with over 300k miles on it. I know where 3 6.0l are w/ over 300k miles on it at 1 spot. That's not the only ones I know of. Its like this go the 97-now f150 section and complain about problems. Its full of them. Enough to give a person the idea that the 5.4l is a piece of junk. I'm 1 that knows that the 5.4l is a damn good enigne. So why is this? Its because when something wrong and none members google 5.4 problems guess what? You got it they end up here on the f150 section not to mention the tendency of members complaining. Its like that for everything on these boards. Down in the v10 lots of problem post. If you want to find good high mile 6.0s you'll have to get out of the chair cause they are out on the road.
We all agree the first 6.0s where world record disasters. Ford and navistar rushed to get em out and nobody knew how to work on em. Ford did end up getting it under control though. The 6.4 came to be cause of emissions. I don't know why they couldn't make the 6.0 comply or if they just wanted to get away from the 6.0. The 6.0 is as reliable engine as any other. There is a bunch of em on the road just like there's still tons of 7.3s.
I traded a 93 f150 w/ a 5.0 w/ 250k for my 98 f150 w/ 5.4. I have no doubt the 4.6- 6.8s can make 300k. 300k miles these days aint hard to drive.

 

Agreed if you do the maintenance, and don't try and wring 3x the stock HP out of them. I may be preaching to the choir here, but the reality is that when you look at any engine on a discussion forum, consider that 10%-20% of the complaints (admittedly, some engines are better than others in this regard) are from people who have legitimate gripes. The other 80%-90% are folks who didn't do maintenance, or chipped or programmed the hell out of the engine (gas or diesel), or have logged more time banging off the rev limiter than most of us have logged at cruising RPM. I might be stepping on some toes by saying this, but it’s true. I am not saying that there aren’t legitimate gripes, but look at the number of complaint posts about “My fill-in-the-blank engine took a crap on me at only 30,000 miles and now they won’t cover it in my warranty” who are from folks who have anywhere from 1-25 posts, and then you never hear from them again. These are people who join to vent their frustrations then forget this place exists because they now bought a new brand “X” truck or car and are happy until the same thing happens to them again, at which time they will join another discussion forum to gripe. This is not an FTE problem. I belong to many different forums, and depending on what mood I am in (or what project I am involved with) I go to this one or that one, etc. This is a common theme amongst all forums and not just automotive ones. Check out forums for appliances sometime. If you go to Toyota nation sometime, anyone would think that Toyota never built a car or truck worth a crap. I own a 2003 Camry with nearly 200,000 miles on it and it has needed nothing but oil and filter changes and brakes, and a serpentine belt. Over there these cars are (if you believe the 1-25 then disappear posters) big piles of canine fecal matter. Of course some have 60,000 miles and have never had an OIL CHANGE, and yet these folks can’t seem to understand why Toyota (and really, you could put any manufacturer’s name there) won’t give them a free engine. People complain, and that’s a fact. Even small problems seem huge when people start griping, and a legitimate problem (I.E. early 6.0L diesels, or mod motors spitting out sparkplugs, etc) becomes a veritable deluge of dissent, and is a hot topic of discussion long after the problem is fixed and there are no more issues. People don’t spend a whole lot of time posting about good stuff compared to the amount of time they spend crying about bad stuff. Like they say in broadcast news… Good news travels. Bad news travels fast.

 

Argo I wish I was good w/ words. That's what I was trying to say. What I meant by 300k isn't hard to drive these days is people cry about gas prices but yet drive in circles. Go all the way home them come back to walmart etc. People just drive further than they use to. Everybody I know just jump in their truck and go to Ga, Fl, or Tenn just for a weekend. Not to long ago we would have refused to drive a few hundred miles just for the weekend. As a society we'll do it and think nothing of it. The city folk is makeing a mad push to move to the country. Which leaves them drive around 15 miles 1 way to work. It adds up pretty quick.
The engines are built differently today. It was so hard to put 5w-20 oil in my 05 5.4l. I still put it in my wifes 04 and our mustangs. I was so use to 10w-30.

 

I know what you mean... but I admit that I was guilty of that too, and may be again someday when my kids grow up. I used to drive for the sake of it. My friends and I all did it. When other people our age would go hang out in bars or clubs (I was from Philadelphia) my friends and I would drive all over the place instead. Friday night drag races at Cecil County MD or Englishtown NJ? No problem. Got a hankering for pizza? Off to Carini's in Wildwood Crest! Breakfast on Saturday morning? We'd go to Shady Maple in Lancaster County, then take a ride on the Strasburg Railroad. My girlfriend at the time (now my wife) wanted Ice Cream. So I called my friends and said "Dana wants ice cream". Soon we had a five car convoy on the way to Cape May to take the Cape May/Lewes Ferry to Lewes DE to go to Kings Ice Cream for some homemade French Vanilla. On the way back across the Delaware Bay, my now wife was utterly blown away by the awesome date (with all of our friends tagging along no less) when I totally sealed the deal. It was a beautiful summer night, with a clear sky and a full moon. The stars were out and we were parked up at the front of the ferry "Twin Capes". I whipped out a portable CD player loaded with "A Summer Place" by Percy Faith, and there, under the stars, with the sound of the waves breaking on the bow of the ship, we slow danced and had our first kiss.








Ahem!.... Where were we? I got to daydreaming again. Anyhow, all that driving did help rack up the miles. But all of my friends and I did our own maintenance to our cars and trucks, and we were religious about it. We all racked up 200,000 miles plus on our rides. I have 305,000 on my old girl now, and I'd trust it to haul an 8,000 lb trailer to Florida tomorrow. But as you can see, I am guilty of doing that. Sometimes it wasn't even for the weekend! I drove with my friend Mike from Philadelphia to the Chesapeake Bay Bridge-Tunnel (via the Cape Ma/Lewes Ferry, of course) just to see it! Literally! We drove basically to Newport News VA to see a bridge! It is an impressive bridge, however, and it is awesome when you are on the center span and you see nothing but water all around you. It feels like you are driving on the Atlantic. I was 20, he was 18, and neither of us had ever heard of such a thing before in our lives, so we had to go see it. We ate lunch on the pavilion on the south side of the bridge, and then we turned around and went home.

Maybe some day I'll do it again. I still love to drive, and I still look for any excuse to. I do take the kids "train hunting" where we drive around all over the place (locally) to spot trains, since Norfolk Southern has a branch line that runs through Kent County to Harrington DE, then through Milford on it's way to Millsboro and also through Bridgeville and Seaford on it's way to Salsbury MD. And they love every minute of it. I guess I better keep up with the maintenance!

In all seriousness you are right. People should plan their trips better, and try to avoid extra trips for one or two things here and there.

I know this went off topic, but in a way, I think all folks on here or any automotive forum who are enthusiasts, gas or diesel, enjoy driving. So maybe it's not as far out of touch as it may seem on the surface.

 

Nope its good for a lot more than that thanks

 

Most of the professional/commercial lawn equipment I see around here have either a Kohler or Kawasaki V-Twin gas engine. The newer ones are usually fuel-injected. I know you can get them with diesels, but I've personally never seen one.

 

Bill I haven't avoided your question. I've never really understood what your asking. Are you asking about PSDs in general high points or what led to us buying our PSD?
I can't tell you why I buy mine. When I got bit by the SuperDuty bug I drove a lot of em. Each unit I drove that I considered buying I drove for a week or close to it. I've driven only one 5.4 sadly enough, it was only a scab and I wanted a crew. I've drive several v10s considered only 2. An 02 and an 06.
Over the week I drove em I could watch the gas hand move. Oh loved the tone and the gearing. Little pat to the gas and shed lunge forward. The 02 had came from NY and had quite a lot of rust on the frame and inside body panels. So it was easy to shy away from that one. The 06 was a beast. Again the mileage was awful. I thought I almost had myself ok with the milage then I bought 35 head of cattle on a fluke deal. The owner of the dealership told me to use the v10 to haul my cattle. 14,000-16000lbs weighed trailer was getting me 9-10mpg. I wigged out. I couldn't get over it. I returned the truck and started looking at the diesels. Right off the bat there was a better fuel mileage. I was looking at used diesels 250s and 350s. There was always something I dint like about the units. Weither it be trim, the cab, or 2wd. Then I met my truck. They had called me about an 06 srw 350 they got in and I was going to look at it. I saw my truck from across the lot. I drive an I had to have her. No I can't pat the gas and she spring forward but I can load the wagon and just ease out the field. The 06 v10 had to grunt and grawl. My psd is a lot smoother than the 06 was. Thinking it was just the 06 I've tried out my buddies and its the same way. I will tell you I bought my truck unaware of the frigging oil change cost. I liked to have crapped on my self when I bought the stuff for my 1st oil change. My fuel savings has kinda countered the oilchange cost. I don't rut up my fields as much any more trying to power a trailer out of it. My math shows me my truck is the best choice for me. I'm going to just for me the high points is mileage, torque and the HP. For me 325hp with 550 useable tq out weighs 37 hp and low teens to single digit fuel milage.at the end of the page I have to account for what I think. I think I have the best choice for my needs. I wish I could give you some flashy answer or magic formula to the PSD's high points but I can't. It has came clear to me that whatever I state it will be challenged. Which it fine now. I'm ok with that. At the end of the day its my numbers that I have to make sure are in order. I sincerly hope that I've given you an answer that you can except. I don't want to argue any more. It should be enough that you own a fine truck that was built ford tuff.

 

Evidently we understand "proffesional" quite differently. The first time I saw the real diesel pusher mower -my jaw dropped to the feet. The guy was just showing off in it. He started on asphalt driveway, gain about 20 mph and entered 10" tall grass with his 16 foot wide deck. The mower didn't slow down.

 

I understand that completely. You would rather have the lowend torque of the 6.0 rather than the higher RPM power of the V10, and you got the right truck for that.

Is 9-10 MPGs with 16,000 lbs behind you really that bad though?




And a gas mower with the same amount of power could do the same thing.
Whats your point?

 

Same in my area. I have actually been seeing some LP powered versions also. I had to do a double take when I saw the operator sitting between two kegs. They were either LP tanks or he has a serious drinking problem.

 

Here again really aint a straight forward question. Is that gross trailer weight or net trailer weight. My PSD doesn't get to 10mpg untell my net weight gets into the 20s. So yea that could be bad if that is net. That means I'm making more trips to haul same number over all of bales and costing more in fuel. If I'm hauling more bales in 1 trip(more weight) at the mileage I save trips hence save burnt fuel. Does it make that big of a difference. It depends what week it is in. If its a week where I'm hauling cattle it sure could. The fuel I save I can sell cattle and increasing for money on same expence.
To answer your question honestly another way. No its not bad at all. My f150 w/ a 5.4 would on get 15 empty and 10 mpg a tag along cattle trailer with 5k-8k lbs of cattle. So trailer and livestock would push 10k. My 20' tagalong utilty trailer I use to haul some hay will gross 10k trailer and hay. That trailer and hay has dropped the 04 and 05 f150s of our into the 8mpg range. In those days I defended my f150 and 5.4 dayly. Go can go read some of my post. Its hard to explain what a psd does that it gas sister don't. If you haven't Already go work the **** out of a psd and see for yourself. If your looking for it to out pull your v10. I can save you the time its not. Your v10 will carry what ever weight I hookup to just as far. It just something about how it does it.
Now here again if you put 1 of my customer's 6.4 into the equation no 10mpg aint bad. He complains all the time about his milage. He claims the 40' corn head drops him down to 11mpg. The head only weights 10k dirty. I don't know anybody w/ a 6.4 that gets any milage.

 

My 1997 4x4 Reg cab PSD was totaled in an accident a couple of years ago. With 245,000 miles the insurance company gave me $9700 for it, one good thing about PSD's is there resale value. I couldn't afford another PSD so I got a V10. Nice truck but I miss the PSD torque.

 

This has been the gasser argument for the last 500 pages. It's not that the v10 can't do the same job or pull the same amount of weight, it just does it differently. A lot of people have the mentality that if it can't do it in 5th gear at 2,000 rpms then it is weak, struggling, not capable of pulling it, going to shoot rods out of the block, catch on fire, etc. I have said many times that my 7.3 tows easier, downshifts less and gets better mpg's than my 5.4, but when it comes to pulling power the 5.4 walks all over it. I could argue that the 7.3 is better for towing because it gets better mpgs and costs less to drive or I could argue that the 5.4 is better because it handles the same load easier(but at a higher rpm).

 

Interesting perspective.

 

This.
EXACTLY.
JL