Notices
1999 - 2016 Super Duty 1999 to 2016 Ford F250, F350, F450 and F550 Super Duty with diesel V8 and gas V8 and V10 engines
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by: Real Truck

Gas vs PSD

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Jan 28, 2010 | 07:42 AM
  #3361  
phillips91's Avatar
phillips91
Postmaster
Joined: Apr 2008
Posts: 4,724
Likes: 4
From: Rogersville, TN
Originally Posted by bill11012
Where did you come up with that number?

Around here it is about 50% PSD
45% 5.4 and 5% V10.
It was in an article I read a while back. I can't remember what it was from, but I'm sure someone on here has some production numbers somewhere. They were talking about the powerstroke and how important it was to Ford because over 90% of all 3/4 tons and above came with it since it was offered. Around here you almost never see an OBS or SD with anything other than the PSD.

I've went by 3 Ford lots this week browsing around and out of about 80 new SD's I saw zero v10's, one 5.4 and the rest were PSD.
 
Reply
Old Jan 28, 2010 | 10:22 AM
  #3362  
bill11012's Avatar
bill11012
Thread Starter
|
Modular motor junkie
Joined: May 2009
Posts: 6,190
Likes: 8
From: Texas
Originally Posted by phillips91
Around here you almost never see an OBS or SD with anything other than the PSD.

Here the 5.4 is the most common in a work truck, most of the PSDs don't do much work. You would not believe how many are used as comuter cars.

I have seen 7 V10s running around town, 1 was in a 99 ( I think, might have been a little newer) F450 roll back and I don't think any of the others were used for much.

2 did not even have a hitch.
 
Reply
Old Jan 28, 2010 | 03:57 PM
  #3363  
LSchicago2's Avatar
LSchicago2
Fleet Mechanic
Joined: Jun 2006
Posts: 1,684
Likes: 2
Originally Posted by phillips91
Of course he is going to tow 5.4's and v10's less than he tows 7.3's. The 7.3 has been around a lot longer than the 5.4 or v10, 90% of all f-250's-up came with a powerstroke, the 7.3 also came in International trucks and the majority of 7.3's are waaaaay past 200k miles.
Probably 80% of the E250-350 vans are 5.4 though, and about 10% each for PSD and V10. Not many vans get towed for engine problems here. That said I did tow my V10 F450 to a shop yesterday, just because it's easier to tow for me than to get a ride home (it was still driving fine, but check eng. light was on). A $35 oxygen sensor is all it needed, it runs perfect again.
 
Reply
Old Jan 28, 2010 | 05:00 PM
  #3364  
Sand_Man's Avatar
Sand_Man
Posting Guru
15 Year Member
Joined: Oct 2009
Posts: 2,066
Likes: 4
From: Rogue River, Oregon
Originally Posted by phillips91
It was in an article I read a while back. I can't remember what it was from, but I'm sure someone on here has some production numbers somewhere. They were talking about the powerstroke and how important it was to Ford because over 90% of all 3/4 tons and above came with it since it was offered. Around here you almost never see an OBS or SD with anything other than the PSD.

I've went by 3 Ford lots this week browsing around and out of about 80 new SD's I saw zero v10's, one 5.4 and the rest were PSD.
Same here. Not only did I not find my V10 SD on a local lot, but I couldn't even find a dealer willing to look for one for me. But this ain't 1978 and I found the two things I needed on the internet: a V10 Lariat, crew cab SD and a plane ticket to get me there.
 
Reply
Old Jan 28, 2010 | 07:05 PM
  #3365  
phillips91's Avatar
phillips91
Postmaster
Joined: Apr 2008
Posts: 4,724
Likes: 4
From: Rogersville, TN
Originally Posted by LSchicago2
Probably 80% of the E250-350 vans are 5.4 though, and about 10% each for PSD and V10. Not many vans get towed for engine problems here. That said I did tow my V10 F450 to a shop yesterday, just because it's easier to tow for me than to get a ride home (it was still driving fine, but check eng. light was on). A $35 oxygen sensor is all it needed, it runs perfect again.
True, but there are a heck of a lot more trucks sold than vans. Vans generally aren't worked as hard as trucks either(except when Bill is towing 20k lbs at 145 mph ). At least not around here. The vans here are used for floral delivery, school athletic departments, meals on wheels, etc. Nothing that I would classify as heavy duty or a hard life.

Don't get me wrong, I have a 5.4 and a 7.3 and love both of them, but mine lead two totally different lives and I wouldn't be the slightest bit disappointed if my 7.3 sees a wrecker before my 5.4 does. My 7.3 is a 97 model and has 212k hard miles on it and runs like brand new. My 5.4 is a 2000 model, has 35k miles and has been babied. Not being driven as much and not being driven hard makes it easier to not be towed.
 
Reply
Old Jan 28, 2010 | 07:37 PM
  #3366  
bill11012's Avatar
bill11012
Thread Starter
|
Modular motor junkie
Joined: May 2009
Posts: 6,190
Likes: 8
From: Texas
Why does you 5.4 have such a gentle life?
 
Reply
Old Jan 28, 2010 | 08:42 PM
  #3367  
TEAM HARD's Avatar
TEAM HARD
Senior User
Joined: Oct 2009
Posts: 197
Likes: 0
From: Pittsburgh, PA
Originally Posted by bill11012
Why does you 5.4 have such a gentle life?
Thats exactly what i was thinking... get that thing out there and stretch its legs... the 5.4 doesn't like hibernating either.
 
Reply
Old Jan 28, 2010 | 09:41 PM
  #3368  
phillips91's Avatar
phillips91
Postmaster
Joined: Apr 2008
Posts: 4,724
Likes: 4
From: Rogersville, TN
Originally Posted by bill11012
Why does you 5.4 have such a gentle life?
You answered the question for me.....because it's a 5.4. I got tired of 3rd gear and 3500 rpms to go up hills with an empty trailer. It gets worse mpg's unloaded than my 7.3 gets pulling 10k lbs. So I just use it as a weekend driver or grocery getter.
 
Reply
FTE Stories

Ford Trucks for Ford Truck Enthusiasts

story-0

10 Ways Ford is LOSING to the Competition

 Joe Kucinski
story-1

Top 6 Best Deals Available on New Fords & Lincolns Right Now

 Brett Foote
story-2

This Hennessey Takes the Expedition Tremor's Off-Roading Capability to the Next Level

 Verdad Gallardo
story-3

Top 10 Fords at 2026 Carlisle Ford Nationals

 Joe Kucinski
story-4

3 Best / 3 Worst Parts of Modern Ford Ownership

 Brett Foote
story-5

10 Amazing Upgrades That Solve Common Ford Truck Owner Headaches

 Pouria Savadkouei
story-6

Every 2026 Ford Engine Explained

 Brett Foote
story-7

10 Ugly Ford Trucks That We Still Kinda Love

 Joe Kucinski
story-8

10 Things Every Truck Owner NEEDS (2026 Edition)

 Michael S. Palmer
story-9

Rezvani's Latest Post-Apocalyptic Monster Is a Ford F-150 Raptor Underneath

 Verdad Gallardo
Old Jan 28, 2010 | 10:11 PM
  #3369  
bill11012's Avatar
bill11012
Thread Starter
|
Modular motor junkie
Joined: May 2009
Posts: 6,190
Likes: 8
From: Texas
I can under stand that.

I have driven a 5.4 with an empty trailer, auto and 3.73s. Its really kind of sad that they gave it a SD badge.lol

It pulls nothing like the V10, hard to believe the V10 is just a 5.4 with 2 more cylinders.
 
Reply
Old Jan 29, 2010 | 06:57 AM
  #3370  
Tom's Avatar
Tom
Super Moderator
20 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 25,479
Likes: 742
From: Isanti, MN
Club FTE Gold Member
Originally Posted by bill11012
I can under stand that.

I have driven a 5.4 with an empty trailer, auto and 3.73s. Its really kind of sad that they gave it a SD badge.lol

It pulls nothing like the V10, hard to believe the V10 is just a 5.4 with 2 more cylinders.
Your V10 has 35 HP less than my '07 5.4 did! We did this one already!
 
Reply
Old Jan 29, 2010 | 07:12 AM
  #3371  
TEAM HARD's Avatar
TEAM HARD
Senior User
Joined: Oct 2009
Posts: 197
Likes: 0
From: Pittsburgh, PA
35 less PEAK hp and at what rpm did it peak... the 5.4 is a revver and useless for towing more than 5K regularly, especially on any grades. Thats why i got rid of it and bought my V10.
 
Reply
Old Jan 29, 2010 | 11:30 AM
  #3372  
bill11012's Avatar
bill11012
Thread Starter
|
Modular motor junkie
Joined: May 2009
Posts: 6,190
Likes: 8
From: Texas
Originally Posted by Crazy001
Your V10 has 35 HP less than my '07 5.4 did! We did this one already!
The 5.4 I drove was an 01, with a 4R100 in a 4 door 8' bed lariet.
 
Reply
Old Jan 29, 2010 | 11:46 AM
  #3373  
MobeyDick's Avatar
MobeyDick
Posting Guru
Joined: Mar 2003
Posts: 1,521
Likes: 0
Originally Posted by bill11012
Thats 137 MPH, You take the limiter off?

Thats fast for a truck!
The land speed record for a stock truck is only 25 MPH faster than that.

Wonder how long it would take you to stop from that speed...

Yes, a stock 6.0 will out pull and out run me, you have 325HP and my early V10 is making 265. Go race an 05-10 V10 and you will get a rude suprise.
Have you taken your truck to the track (Drag strip) to see what kind of time it will run. I haven't taken my 05 bone stock 6.0 Reg cab (130,000 miles, still has the air filter that came from the factory) but I know it will blow the doors off my 06 6.0 and my 01 7.3.
 
Reply
Old Jan 29, 2010 | 12:02 PM
  #3374  
bill11012's Avatar
bill11012
Thread Starter
|
Modular motor junkie
Joined: May 2009
Posts: 6,190
Likes: 8
From: Texas
No, but I want to.

The only track around here is a 1/8 mile. The closest 1/4 mile is 100 miles.
 
Reply
Old Jan 29, 2010 | 01:52 PM
  #3375  
phillips91's Avatar
phillips91
Postmaster
Joined: Apr 2008
Posts: 4,724
Likes: 4
From: Rogersville, TN
Originally Posted by TEAM HARD
35 less PEAK hp and at what rpm did it peak... the 5.4 is a revver and useless for towing more than 5K regularly, especially on any grades. Thats why i got rid of it and bought my V10.
Thank you for understanding the concept of peak hp. Rep points given.... I have a dyno chart at home for a 2v and a 3v and the 2v actually made more hp and tq from idle to about 4k rpm than the 3v. It wasn't until you hit the higher rpms that the 3v heads allowed it to make more peak hp by flowing better at 5-6k rpm.

My 5.4 has the same peak hp as Bill's v10, but he has more low end and mid range torque than I do, so he has more hp across about 90% of the rpm range. People generally only look at peak hp and argue that my 5.4 will pull right with Bill in evenly matched trucks.
 
Reply



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 10:17 AM.

story-0
10 Ways Ford is LOSING to the Competition

Slideshow: 10 ways Ford is losing to the competition

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-06-15 09:52:01


VIEW MORE
story-1
Top 6 Best Deals Available on New Fords & Lincolns Right Now

Some great targets in today's expensive world.

By Brett Foote | 2026-06-15 09:35:19


VIEW MORE
story-2
This Hennessey Takes the Expedition Tremor's Off-Roading Capability to the Next Level

Slideshow: The VelociRaptor Expedition gains a lift, upgraded suspension, Brembo brakes, and trail-ready equipment while retaining the stock 440-horsepower EcoBoost V6.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-06-12 11:01:55


VIEW MORE
story-3
Top 10 Fords at 2026 Carlisle Ford Nationals

Slideshow: Top 10 Fords at 2026 Ford Nationals

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-06-09 11:10:08


VIEW MORE
story-4
3 Best / 3 Worst Parts of Modern Ford Ownership

Based on years of owning multiple modern Ford products.

By Brett Foote | 2026-06-09 10:53:36


VIEW MORE
story-5
10 Amazing Upgrades That Solve Common Ford Truck Owner Headaches

SPONSORED: From muddy boots to rain-soaked cargo, these upgrades address some of the most common frustrations Ford truck owners face every day.

By Pouria Savadkouei | 2026-06-08 18:50:34


VIEW MORE
story-6
Every 2026 Ford Engine Explained

Here's everything you need to know about every Ford engine available for the 2026 model year.

By Brett Foote | 2026-06-05 12:58:01


VIEW MORE
story-7
10 Ugly Ford Trucks That We Still Kinda Love

Slideshow: 10 ugly Ford trucks that we still kinda love.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-06-03 09:51:16


VIEW MORE
story-8
10 Things Every Truck Owner NEEDS (2026 Edition)

Slideshow: the best gifts for dads & grads

By Michael S. Palmer | 2026-06-03 15:43:58


VIEW MORE
story-9
Rezvani's Latest Post-Apocalyptic Monster Is a Ford F-150 Raptor Underneath

Slideshow: Called the Fortress, the 850-horsepower pickup combines Raptor underpinnings with military-inspired features, survival equipment, and a starting price of $285,000.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-06-03 11:38:36


VIEW MORE