Ok, So now you're throwing in safety recalls. I unsubscribed from this thread at one point due to this kind of crap.

Go dig up the production numbers of 2V modulars built since their introduction in '91.
Go dig up the OEM Warranty claims on "blown out" spark plugs. Don't start in about how many have "blown out" post warranty. If it is truly a manufacturer defect-then it WILL happen within the warranty term.

Go do the same for the 6.0L head gaskets.
Do the math and get the percentages of engines manufactured vs claims.

Enjoy facts and reality when it slaps you in the face.
JL

 

What's pathetic is the way some v10 guys act when someone questions their all mighty engine. Even so much as think that it has any issues and you get talked to like you're an idiot.

It's not really funny either, because it's true. Do a search on yahoo for tritons and spark plugs. About 9 out of 10 sites are about either articles about 2v heads shooting plugs or 3v heads breaking plugs. Do a search for 5.0's and spark plugs and it brings up part numbers for spark plugs and plug wires.

 

I am throwing in safety recalls because it is showing problems with new technology that ford tested and was sure was designed properly. There are almost always problems with new technology and the triton is no different. No one is saying your precious engine is a piece of crap or anything like that, so take a couple of deep breaths and calm down a little. Your engine was designed and built by man, not by God, so it's not unfathomable that it could have some issues as well. I am also throwing in safety recalls to show that your logic is flawed with your ALL CAPS YELLING and rambling on that if it was a design flaw EVERY SINGLE VEHICLE ON THE ROAD WOULD HAVE A PROBLEM. It's easy to say it's not a design flaw when you haven't had a problem yet, but when you wake up in the middle of the night to a raging fire right outside your window because a $10 part wasn't tested properly you tend to look at those 1% problems a little differently.

All the websites I have looked up have had many people complaining about plugs blowing out while their vehicle is still under warranty but ford claims it's not a warranty fix. So it would be kind of hard to have a warranty claim on something they won't fix under warranty.

 

Where are the FACTS?
Where is the ACTUAL DATA?
Where are the NUMBERS?
Web searches are useless for this.
I can go register thousands of sites about 6.0L head gasket issues and you'll see them all every time you do a web search.I can go do the same for the 6.8L spark plug "issues". Does that mean it's factual?
Not no, but hell no.
The reality is that today it's so easy to sit back at your desk and complain to the entire world about how your truck's engine is defective and that you're entitled to repairs,etc,etc,etc,etc,etc,etc....When you're the one that screwed the pooch on your truck and caused a plug problem because you don't need to own tools, much less use them. Nobody wants to accept responsibility anymore for anything. It's always somebody else's fault. How many threads do you see about people wanting to alter their vehicle then bitch and complain about the manufacturer not wanting to cover repairs caused by the alteration?
You're stating now that a Ford dealer has refused warranty service for a "blown out" spark plug while under factory warranty. Find the facts, not generic web searches, the facts. If Ford has denied repairs then there's usually a prettty damned good reason.
JL

 

So because I can't come up with the exact number of plugs that have been blown out that means it doesn't happen? I can't tell you the exact number of 6.0's that have had problems, but that doesn't change the fact that it had issues too.

I work in the oil and gas industry and we have many clients that do work for us that drive 6.0's. They have hundreds of thousands of miles on them and have been put through hell going off road to job sites, left idling for countless hours, employees that drive them like they stole them, etc, and I only know one person PERSONALLY that has had an issue with the 6.0. My cousin had one of the 03's that had to be bought back. Like krewat said, you only hear about the problems on these sites. You see a thread with 500 guys complaining about their 6.0, but you don't see the other 2 million people that havent had any issues at all.

So where did I screw the pooch on my t bird that caught on fire? Should I have known to sit watch by it 24/7 with a water hose just in case something went wrong? What responsibility should I have taken with that one? What responsibility should someone take when they had their plugs changed by a ford dealer, only to have them blow out driving home from work? Should they have assumed that ford dealer wouldn't know how to do something as simple as change a spark plug and went somewhere else? I can change the spark plugs on every vehicle I own(except my 5.4) with my eyes closed and not have to worry about having any issues with them.

 

DO NOT PUT WORDS IN MY MOUTH.
That is not what I said, no matter how you attempt to twist it.
As it was written.
That's not a reference to you or your vehicles.
JL

 

What's a "plug"?

Sorry, couldn't resist.

I've been perusing this thread off and on for awhile now. Up until recently it's been another "friendly" debate of gas vs. diesel (I've been told that I am merely compensating for other inadequacies), but now it's turned into Ford bashing.

I feel like I'm in a public bathroom. It's one thing to check me out while we're next to each other at the urinal, but it's another to tell me how big yours is or how small mine is.

Your may think the grass is greener on the other side, but I've got news for you. Everything has it's problems! You have to weigh what you want against what you are willing to deal with. Is it spark plugs, turbos, EGR, DPF, etc? Everybody has a different threshold and preference, and with that comes it's own unique set of issues that you have to tolerate.

Yes, my truck is underpowered. Yes, it leaks oil. Yes, it's heavy and burns through tires. Yes, I spend a lot of time (and beer ) working on my truck. Yes it's old and always seems to need a new part (according to my wife). And it's all wrapped up in 15mpg. Some look at me and think I'm crazy, other's think I'm trying to compensate for my lack of "manhood". To me, it's exactly what I want. As is a 6.0, 6.4, 5.4 or 6.8 (2V and 3V) to others. I am on stock programming with the original exhaust and still love my truck. Yes, it's slow, but I didn't buy it for speed. I bought it to tow, haul, camp, off-road and still take to work every day. It's everything I wanted, and it's a Ford. It doesn't get any better than that.

 

I have another friend that works in the parts department at a Ford dealer and he has many stories of both engines failures. He kindly advised me to stay away from the 2v V-10 and the early 6.0 if I wanted to avoid major problems. IMHO shooting out spark plugs or blowing head gaskets is major. Neither problem is routine maintenance. Both can be fixed but should never have been a problem to start with.

Again as previously stated by others, only the problems are reported. I am certain that there are many happy Ford owners where the engines have been trouble free both gas and diesel.

So what about the ol' reliable 7.3? Not too many complaints there with the exception of a 30.00 and 10 minute CPS problem.

 

This thread really is stupid,and tells nobody anything.
Truth is BOTH engines will do the same job-just in different ways. Does this mean that either one is superior the other? No,it does not.
It all depends on what you want to own, what you want to drive, and what you want to maintain.

The V10 will be less expensive to maintain.
The V10 costs less initially.
The V10 is less complex,and costs less to repair.
The diesel will pull down the highway at a lower RPM.
The diesel will always be more efficient with fuel with the same loads in the same conditions.
I'm not arguing any of this.

But,the problem I have is the argument that the V10 CANNOT do the same job as a diesel.
This is FALSE.
JL

 

Your first line is funny!

Everything else is dead on. All of us are part of a big family and I am sure that given the opportunity, we would bend over backwards to aid one another in a time of trial. Exspecially with our beloved trucks. So lets agree to disagree on the perfect power plant and continue to enjoy the company of one another.

 

With the exception of the repair portion of your post, I agree with you 100%.

My experience with my truck has been awesome and inexpensive.

 

That's the only diesel engine I'd consider owning in a vehicle..
I do actually own a diesel. The chassis is orange and it's used to cut grass.


JL

 

ROFLMAO. Thanks for the picture. I have heard many good things about the Kubota line. I think the T-bird would out pull it though.

 

My reply was to the part where you said no one wants to take responsibility for anything that goes wrong with their vehicle. I had something go badly wrong with one of my vehicles due to a design flaw by ford. If I mess something up on my vehicle then I take responsibility for that, but let's not act like ford is above reproach when it comes to putting out faulty products. Do some research and you'll find enough design flaws in fords products to type a book on. Tfi modules and cruise control sensors that catch on fire, c3 transmissions that randomly spit seals out and drain all the fluid out while you're driving(had that happen to me at 60k miles and not covered by warranty), mustangs with the exploding gas tank in the trunk, pintos with the bumper bolt pressed right up against the gas tank, cologne series engines that would crack a head if you just looked at it wrong, and the list goes on and on.

For over 100 years manufacturers have been making engines that have spark plugs and only ONE has had the issues that the triton has had. Go read the dodge, chevy, toyota, nissan, etc forums and even the other forums in our ford site and tell me how many of them have issues with plugs.

 

This about that a bit,and I think you'll agree.
Equivalent parts for the diesel (even the 7.3L) are more expensive than those for the 6.8L.
Mechanical failures are mechanical failures, and replacing parts is something everybody's gonna do at some time..
JL