Gas vs PSD
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From: Rogersville, TN
Why is your oil change that expensive??? An oil change on my 7.3 is $38 and one on the 6.0 is $45 using motorcraft oil and filter from wal mart. If you use motorcraft oil then your oil shouldn't be over $30. Is your filter $69??
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From: Isanti, MN
This is what it costs to have them done. I like to do this stuff myself, but it still takes 15 quarts of oil!
$20 for the filter, three 5-quart jugs of Motorcraft($36). So $56 if I do it myself.
Now during the winter time when it gets below 20 degrees I have to use synthetic 5W-40 oil which is $19 a gallon. So, $76 for oil(19 x 4 gallons) plus a $20 filter. With tax would be over $100.
Modular engines run 5W-20 year round.
$20 for the filter, three 5-quart jugs of Motorcraft($36). So $56 if I do it myself.
Now during the winter time when it gets below 20 degrees I have to use synthetic 5W-40 oil which is $19 a gallon. So, $76 for oil(19 x 4 gallons) plus a $20 filter. With tax would be over $100.
Modular engines run 5W-20 year round.
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From: Rogersville, TN
This is what it costs to have them done. I like to do this stuff myself, but it still takes 15 quarts of oil!
$20 for the filter, three 5-quart jugs of Motorcraft($36). So $56 if I do it myself.
Now during the winter time when it gets below 20 degrees I have to use synthetic 5W-40 oil which is $19 a gallon. So, $76 for oil(19 x 4 gallons) plus a $20 filter. With tax would be over $100.
Modular engines run 5W-20 year round.
$20 for the filter, three 5-quart jugs of Motorcraft($36). So $56 if I do it myself.
Now during the winter time when it gets below 20 degrees I have to use synthetic 5W-40 oil which is $19 a gallon. So, $76 for oil(19 x 4 gallons) plus a $20 filter. With tax would be over $100.
Modular engines run 5W-20 year round.
I have a 5.4 and it would cost me $30 to change my oil myself using conventional oil(I use synthetic though). That's why I was a little confused about your prices. The v10 price sounded like an at home oil change with conventional and the 6.4 a dealer change with synthetic. $30 versus $56 is more reasonable.
I know the 6.4 won't win any mpg argments, but I can make up that difference twice in just one fill up. My 7.3 gets 20 mpg. 20 mpg X 40 gallon tank=800 miles. 40 gallons X 2.69 per gallon of diesel=$107 to go 800 miles. Most v10 guys are in the 15 mpg range. 15 mpg X 40 gallon tank=600 miles. 800-600=200. 200/15 mpg=13 gallons. 40 gallons plus additional 13 gallons=53 gallons to go 800 miles. 53 X 2.59 per gallon of gas= $137 to go 800 miles. $137-$107=$30 savings in gas after one of my tanks.
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The whole gas thing always makes me laugh. We always give the V-10 guys the price of the cheapest lowest grade of crap gas. I never run that in any of my vehicles. I take good care of mine including what it burns. Some will say it is not necessary yet they run synthetic oil which again makes me laugh. Just my .02
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From: Isanti, MN
I used to change the oil in my '07 5.4L F150 for less than $20. $12 for a 5-quart jug of MC 5W-20, two additional quarts and a $4.00 MC oil filter.
This is from my diesel supplement:
Depending on where I find myself this winter I might change to synthetic if I have to run my truck when it's that cold out. Doesn't get that cold down here much.
95_Dually, I'll be here until December 18th. Doing a career change of sorts down here. I've been in the Army inactive reserves ever since I got out of the active army in '07. With the economy in the tank and me not having time with my "real" job to complete my degree, I'm in school now to be an army recruiter. Won't know where they want to send me for recruiting, but I'm trying to go somewhere south! This is why I'm trying to avoid the expensive synthetic oil change.
This is from my diesel supplement:
Depending on where I find myself this winter I might change to synthetic if I have to run my truck when it's that cold out. Doesn't get that cold down here much.
95_Dually, I'll be here until December 18th. Doing a career change of sorts down here. I've been in the Army inactive reserves ever since I got out of the active army in '07. With the economy in the tank and me not having time with my "real" job to complete my degree, I'm in school now to be an army recruiter. Won't know where they want to send me for recruiting, but I'm trying to go somewhere south! This is why I'm trying to avoid the expensive synthetic oil change.
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From: Isanti, MN
Yup, time to try something different! I enjoy it down here, it's a new place to figure out. It's more than 2 years since I've done anything with the military so it's taken some getting used to. I'm having a good time, though!
You have a better memory than I do! I spent most of my life in the Columbus area, with the exception of the time I spent on active duty. I figured out years ago that I love to travel and do different things, so I'm really enjoying the change of pace.
On edit:
You mention different grades of gasoline in your last post. Believe it or not, you're not doing your engine any favors by feeding it higher octane than it's designed to burn. The octane is simply a measure of how well it resists detonation. Read this:
http://autorepair.about.com/od/engin...hoctanegas.htm
You have a better memory than I do! I spent most of my life in the Columbus area, with the exception of the time I spent on active duty. I figured out years ago that I love to travel and do different things, so I'm really enjoying the change of pace.
On edit:
You mention different grades of gasoline in your last post. Believe it or not, you're not doing your engine any favors by feeding it higher octane than it's designed to burn. The octane is simply a measure of how well it resists detonation. Read this:
http://autorepair.about.com/od/engin...hoctanegas.htm
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I know about the octane and detonation. A lot of people will push their vehicles up hills under extreme loads and not hear the pinging (detonation). I run on the safer side of things. Having more octane is never a bad thing. Not having enough will blow holes in the top of pistons.
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From: Akron
Ha ha i agree, no one can really argue effectively gas mileage of a V10 being better vs the PSD. And I think you should only run higher octane if you have your truck chipped for it. You can tell the difference. My V10 runs a diablosport and there is a world of difference between the 87 octane setting while running that gas, and the 93 setting while running the 93 gas. I was actually somewhat surprised with the power and torque gains with the chip. But as far as stock go, Ford designed the motors to run somewhere between 87 and 89. cause that is most common available and economically cheaper for the daily driver.
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From: emporium
im glad to see this forum has calmed down alot. its nice to read without all the dramma.
i agree. thats were propane is nice
I know about the octane and detonation. A lot of people will push their vehicles up hills under extreme loads and not hear the pinging (detonation). I run on the safer side of things. Having more octane is never a bad thing. Not having enough will blow holes in the top of pistons.
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I haven't taken the time to read up on it yet, but since it's been mentioned - what are the advantages of propane systems? Do they work differently for gas and diesel? I've only seen it mentioned a few times, and until FTE only ever recall using it to run fork lifts, man lifts and the occasional BBQ (which I'm sure someone will be kind enough to give me a hard time about... I know, Charcoal rules... unless you're in a hurry.) :-)
Edit: I'm interested in how it effects diesel and gas respectively, cost of systems, complexity, possible problems, etc - since the advantages and disadvantages of modding each have both been of interest in this thread.
Edit: I'm interested in how it effects diesel and gas respectively, cost of systems, complexity, possible problems, etc - since the advantages and disadvantages of modding each have both been of interest in this thread.
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From: emporium
well im not sure on gas trucks. i know you can convert them to run entirely on propain but thats about it. for diesels there a propain injection. helps to burn fuel more better and to get better gas milage. helps with egts as well. there should be some forums on here dedicated to it.
