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Old Nov 30, 2009 | 01:52 PM
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Depends on the engine. Both a Cat C15 and Detroit Series 60 burn nearly 1 gallon an hour.
 
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Old Nov 30, 2009 | 04:42 PM
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Originally Posted by c00nhunterjoe
well i must say if we are doing this comparison then why are we not considering the 460?? my 7.3 will out pull a v-10 any day of the week, but my old 460 truck ran circles around my 7.3. they all have their trade off and it comes down to what you want to do with your truck. THAT should be the determining factor in the engine and truck you purchase.
I have a 460 and a v10, I love them both but saying that the 460 can out pull the v10 is a joke.

A stock 7.3 does not have a chance VS. a V10 either.

Mine is the lowest HP V10 made and still it will outpull one.
 
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Old Nov 30, 2009 | 06:29 PM
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Originally Posted by bill11012
I have a 460 and a v10, I love them both but saying that the 460 can out pull the v10 is a joke.

A stock 7.3 does not have a chance VS. a V10 either.

Mine is the lowest HP V10 made and still it will outpull one.

Keep telling yourself that

My truck stock would suck yours in and fart it out the tailpipe all the while getting double the mileage of that inferior 2 valve plug-spitter you so proudly squawk about...
 
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Old Nov 30, 2009 | 10:18 PM
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Originally Posted by bill11012
I have a 460 and a v10, I love them both but saying that the 460 can out pull the v10 is a joke.

A stock 7.3 does not have a chance VS. a V10 either.

Mine is the lowest HP V10 made and still it will outpull one.
Bill, I think we ought to meet up and test your "My V10 will outpull your PSD" theory. LOL I have the truck in my signature, with those minor mods. Not sure bout the exhaust/programmer, but I think the coolant filter might give me an edge... hehehe.
 
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Old Dec 1, 2009 | 06:55 AM
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Just my 2cent, for what its worth. I have both a 7.3PSD and the v10. V10 is an 03, PSD is an 01. I think the year of the truck would have a lot to do with it. I tow a 7500lb 30" travel trailer, the v10 will get it to speed faster but the PSD seems to hold it at speed easier(gearing the V10 to keep it in the sweet spot would help). But STOCK for STOCk the V10 is faster and pulls better. That being said you do have have to feed the monster! I spent mant dollars in both. Air inatakes, programmers, headers for the V10 etc. The V10 is no match for a MODIFIED PSD, peroid end of story. Power comes cheaper and easier for the PSD, there so much left in the motor from the factory it's insane. But, agian STOCK for STOCK....I'm puttin my money on the V10.
 
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Old Dec 1, 2009 | 07:24 AM
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Here is a pretty good test I found while doing my research.


2008 Ford Super Duty F-250 - Diesel vs. Gas - Diesel Power Magazine
 
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Old Dec 1, 2009 | 07:57 AM
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Originally Posted by 2001400ex
Bill, I think we ought to meet up and test your "My V10 will outpull your PSD" theory. LOL I have the truck in my signature, with those minor mods. Not sure bout the exhaust/programmer, but I think the coolant filter might give me an edge... hehehe.
Yes, "minor mods" includes a tuner, on a 2006 6.0, versus a '99 2-valve V10. Great comparison
 
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Old Dec 1, 2009 | 08:01 AM
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....but....but...you are the one that says a 10 will out pull a diesel....
Originally Posted by bill11012
I have a 460 and a v10, I love them both but saying that the 460 can out pull the v10 is a joke.

A stock 7.3 does not have a chance VS. a V10 either.

Mine is the lowest HP V10 made and still it will outpull one.
 
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Old Dec 1, 2009 | 08:05 AM
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Originally Posted by msgtord
Here is a pretty good test I found while doing my research.
Careful there. The ONLY magazine article allowed is the one that casts the V10 in a good light. Other tests, including a dyno test, are only done by hack journalists who don't know the difference between a Toyota and a Peterbilt.

"I'm pleased to report that when it comes to towing, acceleration, and fuel economy, the gas engine doesn't even come close."

That about says it all...but can you really trust a journalist who doesn't bow to the V10?
 
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Old Dec 1, 2009 | 08:10 AM
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Careful there. The ONLY magazine article allowed is the one that casts the V10 in a good light. Other tests, including a dyno test, are only done by hack journalists who don't know the difference between a Toyota and a Peterbilt.

"I'm pleased to report that when it comes to towing, acceleration, and fuel economy, the gas engine doesn't even come close."

That about says it all...but can you really trust a journalist who doesn't bow to the V10?
Yea I thought of that. Especially since it's on a Diesel Forum. But I also wonder, all things being equal, a couple thousand dollars in mods for the V10 and how would the test go. Any thoughts? Could the fuel mileage be brought up enough to equal the diesel?
 
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Old Dec 1, 2009 | 08:28 AM
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I'm sure it could. My 10 gets about 15 unloaded my PSD gets about 18 unloaded. So it's not an unsurmountable feat. You could tune and supercharge the 10 for about the cost of the diesel and would have a faster more unique truck for sure. But, I still think it comes down to what the person likes and what the intended purpose of the truck is. My Mod'ed PSD will out run and put pull my Mod'ed 10, but it sure is nice and quite in the cab of that 10.
 
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Old Dec 1, 2009 | 08:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Krewat
Yes, "minor mods" includes a tuner, on a 2006 6.0, versus a '99 2-valve V10. Great comparison
Yeah, I agree with the sarcasm. However, Bill's signature says his V10 will outpull MY PSD. It does not say, his V10 will outpull your unprogrammed 1994 to 1998 PSD.
 
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Old Dec 1, 2009 | 08:39 AM
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I'm sure it could. My 10 gets about 15 unloaded my PSD gets about 18 unloaded. So it's not an unsurmountable feat. You could tune and supercharge the 10 for about the cost of the diesel and would have a faster more unique truck for sure. But, I still think it comes down to what the person likes and what the intended purpose of the truck is. My Mod'ed PSD will out run and put pull my Mod'ed 10, but it sure is nice and quite in the cab of that 10.
Yeah, but under a load, isn't the diesel at 2,000 rpm much quieter than the V10 at 3,500 RPM? I have only spent a little time in a V10. But I know my lightly modified Chevy 6.0 gas engine was way louder towing than my PSD. My same toy hauler, I had to be at 4,000 RPMs to hold 70, while my PSD does it about 2,100, much quieter, and more comfortable. Though my toy hauler tows like it is about a 10,000 pound brick wall.
 
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Old Dec 1, 2009 | 08:56 AM
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You may be right. Just judging my two trucks the cherrybomb V10 is quiter than my MBRP PSD all the time. Pretty interesting test and the times are surprising.
Power Pullers The Ultimate Tow Test Wrap-up - Performance Road Test - Truck Trend
 
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Old Dec 1, 2009 | 03:10 PM
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Originally Posted by bill11012
I have a 460 and a v10, I love them both but saying that the 460 can out pull the v10 is a joke.

A stock 7.3 does not have a chance VS. a V10 either.

Mine is the lowest HP V10 made and still it will outpull one.
What he was saying was that "his" 460 would outpull "his" v10 and "his" 7.3. His trucks may have had all sorts of varying degrees of mods or set ups. One may have been a crew cab and the other a regular cab. One may have had a 3.55 rear end and the other may have had a 4.10, etc. Thats like me saying my 5.0 truck is faster than my 5.4 truck in the 1/4 mile. It is, but the 5.0 is in a truck that's 2000 pounds lighter, so there is more to the comparison than just engines. In drag racing you go one tenth of a second faster for every 100 lbs of weight you lose. Being 2000 lbs lighter, my 5.0 already has a 2.0 second advantage in the 1/4 mile.

That depends on what you mean by "outpull" and "not have a chance" as well as what kind of tests you are comparing them in. From idle to 3k rpm the 3v v10 is behind the OBS 7.3 in both hp and torque. Even comparing the newest v10 to the oldest psd the v10 won't pull the load as easily without having to downshift first. So the v10 doesn't have a chance against my old 7.3 when it comes to seeing which one will maintain 55-60 mph up hill without having to downshift. That v10 wouldn't stand a chance against my 7.3 if we got stopped at a redlight on a hill and wanted to see which one would make it up to 55-60 mph the easiest. My 7.3 wouldn't stand a chance against that same v10 in any type of drag race test though. Which one is "better" just depends on the type of testing that is more important to you. Daily driving situations we all face every day or magazine article style shootouts that do nothing but make for good internet forum arguing lol.

YOUR v10 may have 35-40 more hp than MY 7.3. But you have an automatic and 3.73 gears. I have a 5 speed and 4.10 gears. If we hooked 15k to each of them and raced them up a hill from a 55 mph start, dead stop from the bottom or dead stop from the middle of the hill I wouldn't put money on you in any of the races.

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Yeah, but under a load, isn't the diesel at 2,000 rpm much quieter than the V10 at 3,500 RPM?
Yes. My 5.4(same sound as the v10) is louder at 3500 rpm than my diesel at 2k rpm. And that's comparing it to an old 7.3.
 
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