Gas vs PSD
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I'll post it here and get ALL kinds of excuses, reasons, stimulus, about ...
If ANYONE is ANYWHERE DFW, let's have some fun
I DON'T know what's, what - really I don't and could care less if ine is not fastest, strongest, biggest
it does what I wat to do and does it WELL 
just offering, ONCE AGAIN, to do a head to head - that's all....
we all know a 12 second run @ sea level is WAY different from a 12 second run at 10,000 feet
(or at least most of us do )
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Description System Contents Installation Warranty Reviews
Big trucks need big power, and Paxton Automotive NOVI-2000 systems for Ford's big trucks deliver. At a moderate 8-10 psig of boost, this system for the Triton V10 engine produces an astounding 125 horsepower increase at 4600 rpm, and over 80 lb/ft of torque starting at only 3000 rpm - at the rear wheels. What's more, it does it on 91 octane pump gasoline, without the risk of harmful detonation.
The Paxton NOVI-2000 supercharging system for the Triton V10 powered Super Duty F-250/F-350 Ford Trucks and Ford Excursion comes with 1/2" thick, black anodized billet aluminum mounting brackets, a cast aluminum, rock-honed discharge tube, auxilary in-line fuel pump, fuel control unit and a voucher for a custom-calibrated computer chip, plus all necessary plumbing, hardware and detailed instructions. Like all Paxton Automotive street supercharging systems, this system for the Triton V10 is 50 state emissions-legal, and OBD II compatible.
System Contents:
* Novi 2000 Supercharger
* 1/2" Thick Billet Aluminum Bracket
* Cast Aluminum Discharge Tubes
* Fuel Control Unit
* Fuel Pump
* Programmed Computer Chip
* High-Flow Air Filter
* By-pass Valve
* Oil Lines
* All hardware and Fasteners
* Instruction Manual
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Boost: 8-10
37% HP Gain
21% Torque Gain
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Back in 96, we installed a Paxton on a friends 95 F250 460........On a steep grade with a 10,000 lbs 5er, I could not keep up with him my 92 302 F150......Unburdened with any load!.............The difference was dramatic to say the least! He was passing the diesels of the time with ease.............But the initial cost was very high, and he still got typical 460 MPGs.
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it doesnt matter if its stock vs stock or even vs even. no matter what the competition, the v10 will always win. against every engine from every manufacturer. period.
v10 vs psd? v10 wins because it has more hp, and hp is what gets the job done when towing. v10 vs tundra? v10 wins because it has more torque, and torque is what gets the job done when towing. v10 vs psd? v10 wins because its faster. v10 vs tundra? who cares if the tundra is faster, towing isnt about drag racing. v10 vs 460? v10 wins because it gets better gas mileage. v10 vs psd? who cares about gas mileage, these are trucks, not 4 cylinders. v10 vs silverado? v10 wins because you have to run the chevy wide open to make any power, and you want power at low rpms for towing. v10 vs psd? v10 wins because it makes more power at higher rpms. and on and on and on......
v10 vs psd? v10 wins because it has more hp, and hp is what gets the job done when towing. v10 vs tundra? v10 wins because it has more torque, and torque is what gets the job done when towing. v10 vs psd? v10 wins because its faster. v10 vs tundra? who cares if the tundra is faster, towing isnt about drag racing. v10 vs 460? v10 wins because it gets better gas mileage. v10 vs psd? who cares about gas mileage, these are trucks, not 4 cylinders. v10 vs silverado? v10 wins because you have to run the chevy wide open to make any power, and you want power at low rpms for towing. v10 vs psd? v10 wins because it makes more power at higher rpms. and on and on and on......
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i expect all sorts of equations and stuff like that. equations dont pull trailers though. all you ever hear in these debates is hp this and hp that. 
hp is good for making you go fast but if it amounted to a hill of beans in towing then you wouldnt see 400 hp big rigs or 40 hp bulldozers.
hp is good for making you go fast but if it amounted to a hill of beans in towing then you wouldnt see 400 hp big rigs or 40 hp bulldozers.I am probably one of the few that has pulled the same 7K load with both vehicles across steep terrain. There is absolutely no comparison. My 2004 v10 auto (which I loved) would downshift into 2nd and be screaming like a banshee at 4800 RPMS. If the shifts were missed, she did not have the *** to accelerate back up. My 2008 6.4 cruises the same hills in 4th gear (manual) with 30lbs of boost at 2200 RPMs. And, if I need to accelerate, she has a tremendous amount more in reserve that can be tapped by increasing boost (pushing down on the pedal) or by downshifting.
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Also, I am getting ready to do a cross country trip pulling my Jeep on a flatbed out to UT from VA. The last time I did this was with my v10. Heading up I70 West of Denver, the v10 would only run about 40MPHs in 2nd gear while hitting the redline.This is with the pedal smashed to the floor. I am very interested to see how the 6.4 will do.
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it doesnt matter if its stock vs stock or even vs even. no matter what the competition, the v10 will always win. against every engine from every manufacturer. period.
v10 vs psd? v10 wins because it has more hp, and hp is what gets the job done when towing. v10 vs tundra? v10 wins because it has more torque, and torque is what gets the job done when towing. v10 vs psd? v10 wins because its faster. v10 vs tundra? who cares if the tundra is faster, towing isnt about drag racing. v10 vs 460? v10 wins because it gets better gas mileage. v10 vs psd? who cares about gas mileage, these are trucks, not 4 cylinders. v10 vs silverado? v10 wins because you have to run the chevy wide open to make any power, and you want power at low rpms for towing. v10 vs psd? v10 wins because it makes more power at higher rpms. and on and on and on......
v10 vs psd? v10 wins because it has more hp, and hp is what gets the job done when towing. v10 vs tundra? v10 wins because it has more torque, and torque is what gets the job done when towing. v10 vs psd? v10 wins because its faster. v10 vs tundra? who cares if the tundra is faster, towing isnt about drag racing. v10 vs 460? v10 wins because it gets better gas mileage. v10 vs psd? who cares about gas mileage, these are trucks, not 4 cylinders. v10 vs silverado? v10 wins because you have to run the chevy wide open to make any power, and you want power at low rpms for towing. v10 vs psd? v10 wins because it makes more power at higher rpms. and on and on and on......
V10 vs psd? V10 wins because it has 4.30 gears in the rear. V10 vs 4.30 psd? V10 wins because the psd will be speed limited to 90. V10 vs psd in Colorado? crickets...crickets...crickets... No really, V10 vs psd in Colorado? That's apples to oranges because the psd has a turbo...besides, I live in Houston
Also, I am getting ready to do a cross country trip pulling my Jeep on a flatbed out to UT from VA. The last time I did this was with my v10. Heading up I70 West of Denver, the v10 would only run about 40MPHs in 2nd gear while hitting the redline.This is with the pedal smashed to the floor. I am very interested to see how the 6.4 will do.
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I am enjoying this thread. I look forward to see what has been posted and what avenue will be taken by the poster.
I was thinking about that article where the PSD made it to the top of the hill 5 seconds faster than the V10. That scenario would become very useful when merging on a freeway. The PSD would be ahead of the V10 and going faster than the V10 when the on ramp ended and you needed to be in the flow of traffic. The V10 would eventually pass the PSD according to the test but that would be down the road after the vehicles have already merged with traffic.
Now I am not saying the V10 cannot get up to speed in the necessary time to merge in with the traffic. I am saying the PSD would be able to do it quicker and easier.
I was thinking about that article where the PSD made it to the top of the hill 5 seconds faster than the V10. That scenario would become very useful when merging on a freeway. The PSD would be ahead of the V10 and going faster than the V10 when the on ramp ended and you needed to be in the flow of traffic. The V10 would eventually pass the PSD according to the test but that would be down the road after the vehicles have already merged with traffic.
Now I am not saying the V10 cannot get up to speed in the necessary time to merge in with the traffic. I am saying the PSD would be able to do it quicker and easier.
I think it could come out on top with a better tranny.
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it doesnt matter if its stock vs stock or even vs even. no matter what the competition, the v10 will always win. against every engine from every manufacturer. period.
v10 vs psd? v10 wins because it has more hp, and hp is what gets the job done when towing. v10 vs tundra? v10 wins because it has more torque, and torque is what gets the job done when towing. v10 vs psd? v10 wins because its faster. v10 vs tundra? who cares if the tundra is faster, towing isnt about drag racing. v10 vs 460? v10 wins because it gets better gas mileage. v10 vs psd? who cares about gas mileage, these are trucks, not 4 cylinders. v10 vs silverado? v10 wins because you have to run the chevy wide open to make any power, and you want power at low rpms for towing. v10 vs psd? v10 wins because it makes more power at higher rpms. and on and on and on......
v10 vs psd? v10 wins because it has more hp, and hp is what gets the job done when towing. v10 vs tundra? v10 wins because it has more torque, and torque is what gets the job done when towing. v10 vs psd? v10 wins because its faster. v10 vs tundra? who cares if the tundra is faster, towing isnt about drag racing. v10 vs 460? v10 wins because it gets better gas mileage. v10 vs psd? who cares about gas mileage, these are trucks, not 4 cylinders. v10 vs silverado? v10 wins because you have to run the chevy wide open to make any power, and you want power at low rpms for towing. v10 vs psd? v10 wins because it makes more power at higher rpms. and on and on and on......
You should work in comedy. Anyone ever tell you that?
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the results also would have been much different using a 6.0 or 7.3 instead of a 6.4. even with the increased power and twin turbos, etc, the 6.4 is a lot slower out of the hole than the 6.0/7.3. the 6.4 defuels itself at low rpms to reduce soot. so from a dead stop its not going to get up to peak power as quickly as the 6.0 or 7.3(from a rolling start, its a totally different story). there are several threads in the 6.4 section discussing that very issue. most of the 6.4 guys are saying from a dead stop it has about a 4 second lag time before the power even kicks in. in a race as short as those on the website thats been quoted, that makes a huge difference. especially going against a truck with 4.30's.
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Most semi tractors have between 425 and 550hp with 475 to 525 being the most common. A few go up to 600hp, and some are tweaked to exceed that.
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ive got to give credit where credit is due. ive got some great script writers in those v10 guys. my quotes from directly from them 
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V10's Just need one little black Mod...
I just love that thing = Makes a nice desktop. Where do we get one?
Ford 1999-2004 6.8L/V10/2 Valve Supercharger
Whipple Industries
Whipple Industries, the leader in supercharging performance with industry leading technology, developed this bolt-on system for optimum performance and reliability unmatched by any competitor. With the Whipple twin-screw supercharger, boost is instant allowing for more low-end torque and incredible throttle response. Power from idle to redline, a unique feature only available to the Whipple Charger. The 6.8L SC system creates incredible low and mid range torque, great for all towing conditions.
With incredible reliability and fuel economy in mind, Whipple implemented a specially designed air-bypass system that allows the SC to only take approx. 1hp to operate under cruising conditions. This equates into incredible fuel mileage and unsurpassed reliability, simply years ahead of the competition. This is only possible because of Whipple’s revolutionary interface computer system that works with the stock CPU taking care of all the necessary engine functions to remain emissions legal and maintain proper operation in all conditions. The interface system constantly monitors the oxygen sensor and knock system outputs for OEM like reliability and safe operation. If a problem comes about, the “active boost control” system will decrease boost instantly (a Whipple exclusive) so the engine acts as if it were naturally aspirated, all but eliminating undue harm to the engine. Each system offers up to 50% increase in power, while still maintaining unsurpassed reliability and low noise levels. No one in the world combines so much quality and technology into a complete bolt on and simple to install supercharger system then Whipple Superchargers. While others claim, Whipple delivers!
WHIPPLE SUPERCHARGERS EXCLUSIVE FEATURES:
• Twin screw Whipple Supercharger
• Most efficient supercharger on the market
• No “ancient” rising rate fuel pressure regulator
• Whipple Superchargers “Interface” computer system
• Up to 50% horsepower increase
• Up to 50% torque increase throughout entire RPM range
• Instant boost at the touch of the throttle
• Flat torque curve for excellent towing power
• Incredible acceleration and top end power
• Whipple Superchargers air-bypass system
• Self-contained lubrication system
• High flow air filter system
• Lowest noise level in industry
• 50-State Emissions Legal
• All parts meet or exceed OEM specifications
• Fully adjustable boost levels
• Active boost control for unsurpassed reliability
• No internal modifications
• Completed installation looks factory installed
• Kits come complete with all necessary parts and hardware
• 1 year warranty
Lets get a FTE mass buy
I just noticed the 2nd 230 v alt. must be a cop engine...
I just love that thing = Makes a nice desktop. Where do we get one?
Ford 1999-2004 6.8L/V10/2 Valve Supercharger
Whipple Industries
Whipple Industries, the leader in supercharging performance with industry leading technology, developed this bolt-on system for optimum performance and reliability unmatched by any competitor. With the Whipple twin-screw supercharger, boost is instant allowing for more low-end torque and incredible throttle response. Power from idle to redline, a unique feature only available to the Whipple Charger. The 6.8L SC system creates incredible low and mid range torque, great for all towing conditions.
With incredible reliability and fuel economy in mind, Whipple implemented a specially designed air-bypass system that allows the SC to only take approx. 1hp to operate under cruising conditions. This equates into incredible fuel mileage and unsurpassed reliability, simply years ahead of the competition. This is only possible because of Whipple’s revolutionary interface computer system that works with the stock CPU taking care of all the necessary engine functions to remain emissions legal and maintain proper operation in all conditions. The interface system constantly monitors the oxygen sensor and knock system outputs for OEM like reliability and safe operation. If a problem comes about, the “active boost control” system will decrease boost instantly (a Whipple exclusive) so the engine acts as if it were naturally aspirated, all but eliminating undue harm to the engine. Each system offers up to 50% increase in power, while still maintaining unsurpassed reliability and low noise levels. No one in the world combines so much quality and technology into a complete bolt on and simple to install supercharger system then Whipple Superchargers. While others claim, Whipple delivers!
WHIPPLE SUPERCHARGERS EXCLUSIVE FEATURES:
• Twin screw Whipple Supercharger
• Most efficient supercharger on the market
• No “ancient” rising rate fuel pressure regulator
• Whipple Superchargers “Interface” computer system
• Up to 50% horsepower increase
• Up to 50% torque increase throughout entire RPM range
• Instant boost at the touch of the throttle
• Flat torque curve for excellent towing power
• Incredible acceleration and top end power
• Whipple Superchargers air-bypass system
• Self-contained lubrication system
• High flow air filter system
• Lowest noise level in industry
• 50-State Emissions Legal
• All parts meet or exceed OEM specifications
• Fully adjustable boost levels
• Active boost control for unsurpassed reliability
• No internal modifications
• Completed installation looks factory installed
• Kits come complete with all necessary parts and hardware
• 1 year warranty
Lets get a FTE mass buy
I just noticed the 2nd 230 v alt. must be a cop engine...
$5,000 for one for my V10 and $5,000 for one for my 4.6 police car!