Gas vs PSD
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From: Humble, Texas
I love it when people spout thier uneducated crap like its the "word of god" just because thier dealer coaxed them into buying the more expensive truck.
The "one off" magazine article you speak of is exactly that, one off. No other magazine has done this comparison yet and noone really cares to because everyone including your f-ing grandmother owns a PSD turd now.
Yopu make it sound like a longer pull would have yielded different results, the fact of the matter is that the V10 would have passed the PSD had the course been longer. Can you understand that? The 4.30 gear is the preferred gear of the V10 as it makes is power higher in the rpm than the PSD. A 4.30 geared V10 is more comparable to a 3.73 geared PSD.
BC is flatlands compared to the Rockies. I've pulled through there many times and seen many a PSD stranded on the side of the road. Want to get "humbled" try Colorado, or even Tennessee interstates.
The "one off" magazine article you speak of is exactly that, one off. No other magazine has done this comparison yet and noone really cares to because everyone including your f-ing grandmother owns a PSD turd now.
Yopu make it sound like a longer pull would have yielded different results, the fact of the matter is that the V10 would have passed the PSD had the course been longer. Can you understand that? The 4.30 gear is the preferred gear of the V10 as it makes is power higher in the rpm than the PSD. A 4.30 geared V10 is more comparable to a 3.73 geared PSD.
BC is flatlands compared to the Rockies. I've pulled through there many times and seen many a PSD stranded on the side of the road. Want to get "humbled" try Colorado, or even Tennessee interstates.
To me, that is what is comes down to. I have pulled the same load with both and it is night and day. You can bash all you want but each of you know that if you could afford a PSD or other diesel, and use it to tow,. you would have purchase one. There you go, I said it. Bash all you want. I really dont care. For the morons to say that thie v10 will outpull and outlast and is an overall better motor than a Cat C9 due to the v10 having higher HP, you a F'ing morons. Ban me if you want, I don't care. Below are numbers.
I can't wait for BillTroll to tell me that the v10 is a better pulling motor.
Cat C9
<table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr><td class="evenrow" width="30%">Horsepower</td> <td class="evenrow" width="70%">335 to 350 @ 2200 rpm</td> </tr> <tr> <td class="oddrow" width="30%">Torque</td> <td class="oddrow" width="70%">1150-1250 lb-ft @ 1400 rpm</td></tr></tbody></table>
V10
2007 - Max HP - 362 @ 4750 rpm
2007 - Max Torque - 457 @ 3250 rpm
I can't wait for BillTroll to tell me that the v10 is a better pulling motor.
Cat C9
<table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr><td class="evenrow" width="30%">Horsepower</td> <td class="evenrow" width="70%">335 to 350 @ 2200 rpm</td> </tr> <tr> <td class="oddrow" width="30%">Torque</td> <td class="oddrow" width="70%">1150-1250 lb-ft @ 1400 rpm</td></tr></tbody></table>
V10
2007 - Max HP - 362 @ 4750 rpm
2007 - Max Torque - 457 @ 3250 rpm
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first off man, calm it down a little. we are all just having a good natured debate. no need to get personal with people or question their intellect.
second of all, comparing a 4.30 geared v10 to a 3.73 geared psd is not comparable. just because thats the preferred gear doesnt mean its evenly matched. yes, the v10 makes its power at higher rpms and the psd makes it power at lower rpms, so giving them those gearing combos will keep the respective engine in its power band at cruising rpms. but thats where the "even-ness" of the comparison ends. not only will the v10 be in its power band, but it will also have a much better final drive ratio.
if you want a fair engine vs engine comparison then compare them with the same gearing, in the same tranny gear, and at their preferred rpm. for example, both trucks will be in 4th gear, have 3.73(or 4.10 or whatever) rear ends, and the psd will be at 2k rpm and the v10 will be at 4k rpm, then tell me which one pulls better. they will be at different speeds, but the comparison is more even that way and the results come from engine power and not gearing.
second of all, comparing a 4.30 geared v10 to a 3.73 geared psd is not comparable. just because thats the preferred gear doesnt mean its evenly matched. yes, the v10 makes its power at higher rpms and the psd makes it power at lower rpms, so giving them those gearing combos will keep the respective engine in its power band at cruising rpms. but thats where the "even-ness" of the comparison ends. not only will the v10 be in its power band, but it will also have a much better final drive ratio.
if you want a fair engine vs engine comparison then compare them with the same gearing, in the same tranny gear, and at their preferred rpm. for example, both trucks will be in 4th gear, have 3.73(or 4.10 or whatever) rear ends, and the psd will be at 2k rpm and the v10 will be at 4k rpm, then tell me which one pulls better. they will be at different speeds, but the comparison is more even that way and the results come from engine power and not gearing.
to be a fair test, both need to be going the same speed, at the best RPM for both, with the gearing to have them both running the best they can.
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I agree! Let's keep it civil! This "argument" is going to continue forever, whether this thread survives or not. Better to keep it contained and focused here 
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Better to let it pass due to lack of interest then like a kidney stone. Bill may be young, he's been right, he's been wrong, but what he is not is a troll.
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To me, that is what is comes down to. I have pulled the same load with both and it is night and day. You can bash all you want but each of you know that if you could afford a PSD or other diesel, and use it to tow,. you would have purchase one. There you go, I said it. Bash all you want. I really dont care. For the morons to say that thie v10 will outpull and outlast and is an overall better motor than a Cat C9 due to the v10 having higher HP, you a F'ing morons. Ban me if you want, I don't care. Below are numbers.
I can't wait for BillTroll to tell me that the v10 is a better pulling motor.
Cat C9
<table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr><td class="evenrow" width="30%">Horsepower</td> <td class="evenrow" width="70%">335 to 350 @ 2200 rpm</td> </tr> <tr> <td class="oddrow" width="30%">Torque</td> <td class="oddrow" width="70%">1150-1250 lb-ft @ 1400 rpm</td></tr></tbody></table>
V10
2007 - Max HP - 362 @ 4750 rpm
2007 - Max Torque - 457 @ 3250 rpm
I can't wait for BillTroll to tell me that the v10 is a better pulling motor.
Cat C9
<table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr><td class="evenrow" width="30%">Horsepower</td> <td class="evenrow" width="70%">335 to 350 @ 2200 rpm</td> </tr> <tr> <td class="oddrow" width="30%">Torque</td> <td class="oddrow" width="70%">1150-1250 lb-ft @ 1400 rpm</td></tr></tbody></table>
V10
2007 - Max HP - 362 @ 4750 rpm
2007 - Max Torque - 457 @ 3250 rpm
why are you calling me " billtroll " ?
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I disagree with this approach. As you said earlier in the same post, the trucks are geared according to the engines they have. If this is about finding out which truck is better for towing (gas or diesel), then it seems like the two trucks ought to be optimized for their particular engines. Otherwise you truly are comparing apples to oranges.
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I first started posting in this thread because I was really interested in this topic. It soon became clear that this was not meant to be a real discussion but a venting platform for v10 gassers to talk **** about the PSDs. Most of of the "your motor sucks" comes from the gas community. Why? Like I have posted, I have owned both and enjoyed both but there is absolutely no comparison in overall towing capacity.
And again, I have posted well researched and thought out comments, often to you. You rarely if ever answer them instead moving on to another asinine assertion like that a v10 has more usable power than a C9. Dude, are you for real? Have you ever driven a diesel truck?
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But alas, this is why I stopped explaining government fundamentals to my puppy. He will just never get it. So, this is my last post. I will be out enjoying my truck and you guys can sit in here and circle jerk each other on why your v10s are better than my 6.4 at pulling stuff across the country.
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thats the thing though, 3.73 is not the optimum towing gear for the psd. its the optimum all around gear, but the simple fact is that a psd with 4.30's will accelerate faster than the same psd with 3.73's. same with the v10. 4.30's are the optimum towing gear, but 4.10's are probably the best all around gear.
That doesn't mean the V10 is a better motor, or that it's better for towing than the Cat (I'm sure it's not!), but the V10 will do more work. If it doesn't, someone is lying about their numbers.
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I have gone over the troll statement before. For the last week or so I and a bunch of people have posted quantitative and researched information to which you ignore. Instead you post inane and unresearched comments that often are meant to do nothing than to stir the pot. That, sir, is the definition of a web troll.
I first started posting in this thread because I was really interested in this topic. It soon became clear that this was not meant to be a real discussion but a venting platform for v10 gassers to talk **** about the PSDs. Most of of the "your motor sucks" comes from the gas community. Why? Like I have posted, I have owned both and enjoyed both but there is absolutely no comparison in overall towing capacity.
And again, I have posted well researched and thought out comments, often to you. You rarely if ever answer them instead moving on to another asinine assertion like that a v10 has more usable power than a C9. Dude, are you for real? Have you ever driven a diesel truck?
I first started posting in this thread because I was really interested in this topic. It soon became clear that this was not meant to be a real discussion but a venting platform for v10 gassers to talk **** about the PSDs. Most of of the "your motor sucks" comes from the gas community. Why? Like I have posted, I have owned both and enjoyed both but there is absolutely no comparison in overall towing capacity.
And again, I have posted well researched and thought out comments, often to you. You rarely if ever answer them instead moving on to another asinine assertion like that a v10 has more usable power than a C9. Dude, are you for real? Have you ever driven a diesel truck?
I do not talk **** about the Power Stroke, I just think that the V10 is better.
I already said that my truck is a dog from a stop,that a PSD has it there and that at high elevation I would be down in first gear at 4000 RPM well a Power stroke was still pulling like it was at see level. I really am trying to have a fair discussion about this.
I have driven a stock 7.3, towing with about 12,000 GCWR in the hills.
It has a lot more power than the V10 at low RPM vs low RPM, but if you floor both, the V10 leaves the 7.3 behind. BTW, the V10 I am comparing it to is a 98 with the lowest HP of all of them.
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i would just recommend spending a few days behind the wheel of a diesel so youll appreciate the torque. youre not going to change your mind about this hp stuff until you do. like i said before, my 5.4 has more hp than my 7.3 but it wont pull its own self up hills in 5th gear that my 7.3 will pull 10k up without even having to run it hard. i dont have anything against the v10. as a matter of fact i think its one of the best towing stock gas engines ever built by any manufacturer. the chevy 8.1 was pretty stout too with its 345 hp and 455 lbs of tq (you laughed at me earlier for mentioning the silverado). but its no diesel.
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i would just recommend spending a few days behind the wheel of a diesel so youll appreciate the torque. youre not going to change your mind about this hp stuff until you do. like i said before, my 5.4 has more hp than my 7.3 but it wont pull its own self up hills in 5th gear that my 7.3 will pull 10k up without even having to run it hard. i dont have anything against the v10. as a matter of fact i think its one of the best towing stock gas engines ever built by any manufacturer. the chevy 8.1 was pretty stout too with its 345 hp and 455 lbs of tq (you laughed at me earlier for mentioning the silverado). but its no diesel.
I know next to nothing about it.
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i have 4.10's in my 7.3 and i am doing about 2500 rpms at 70 mph. with 4.30s i would probably be doing about 2800 rpm. it redlines at 3600, so it would still have plenty of pedal left. it would probably top out at about 85-90 with the 4.30's. faster than i have any reason to drive a truck.
