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Old Sep 15, 2009 | 11:47 PM
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Thanks, I have no idea what the hell is it.
Neither do I, but watching it is funny as hell.
 
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Old Sep 15, 2009 | 11:50 PM
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Thanks, I have no idea what the hell is it.
funny thing is, my V10 will out pull a 7.3 psd. that is true.
V10 guys do not like to kiss other guys.
 
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Old Sep 15, 2009 | 11:51 PM
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Originally Posted by bill11012
funny thing is, my V10 will out pull a 7.3 psd. that is true.
V10 guys ( well, most anyway ) do not like to kiss other guys.
Im sure you have a video or some kind of proof that your v10 can outpull a 7.3 right?
 
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Old Sep 15, 2009 | 11:54 PM
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Can somebody enlarge Quick's avatar realllllllllly big so we can all LOL.
 
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Old Sep 15, 2009 | 11:55 PM
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the proof is the HP numbers.
 
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Old Sep 15, 2009 | 11:56 PM
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Originally Posted by bill11012
the proof is the HP numbers.
Your v10 has more HP then my dads old 300 plus mack, I bet you could outpull that thing too hey
 
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Old Sep 15, 2009 | 11:59 PM
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Your v10 has more HP then my dads old 300 plus mack, I bet you could outpull that thing too hey
haha, maybe. I would be willing to try.
 
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Old Sep 16, 2009 | 12:06 AM
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haha, maybe. I would be willing to try.
The end would be the same result as if you lined up against a 7.3, you would come in, in a respectable second place
 
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Old Sep 16, 2009 | 12:10 AM
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The end would be the same result as if you lined up against a 7.3, you would come in, in a respectable second place
I would be willing to bet on that....
How do you think a lower HP motor can out pull a higher hp motor?
Dont tell me torque, that is were the HP number comes from.
 
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Old Sep 16, 2009 | 12:18 AM
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Bill, how do you think big rigs are able to tow so much? It comes down to gears, hp and most importantly torque. (hp and torque do go hand in hand to a point)

Take a look at specs on a cat 3406 diesel engine for insance. For some of the engines they have less then 365 hp, and still over 1000 foot lbs of torque. (I gaurantee you that your truck or van cant come close to pulling what a semi truck can, and please tell me your not thinking it can)Semis can come with low gear ratios like 3.90 and 3.55 (3.90 being more common).
Granted they have more gears to get the load going faster, but do you really think that having higher HP is everything while towing?
I know hp and torque go somewhat hand in hand, but the more torque makes for a much better towing rig, in any case.
By your logic your v10 could outpull anything that has less then 365 horse (or whatever they came stock with) and thats just not the case. line up against a semi like an old 300 pls mack, or hell line up against a JD tractor with 200 horse and see how ya do!)

Check this chart out and youll see what I mean about hp and torque ratings on a big rig engine.
http://www.dwclutch.com/D&W/D&W%20Cl...T%20TORQUE.pdf
 
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Originally Posted by bill11012
I would be willing to bet on that....
How do you think a lower HP motor can out pull a higher hp motor?
Dont tell me torque, that is were the HP number comes from.
I was under the impression torque is what you wanted when towing.
 
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Old Sep 16, 2009 | 12:47 AM
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Geez, I think this has been covered at least ten times in this thread alone.

Example one: If two trucks weigh the same, and are going up the same hill, but one is pulling ahead slightly, the faster one is producing more horsepower.

Example two: If two trucks are going the exact same speed up a hill, but one truck weighs more than the other, the heavier truck is producing more horsepower.

The horsepower at your rear wheels is the same as the horsepower of your engine, minus losses in your gearing. So, if you have the right gear ratio to allow your engine to work at its horsepower peak while you're doing the job you want to do, the truck with the most horsepower will do the most work.

It doesn't matter whether the horsepower is made at low rpm with high engine torque (diesel) or at high rpm with low engine torque (gas), after it goes through the gearing, the driving wheels don't care. If the vehicles are optimized for the engines they're using, and the "lower HP" truck moves more weight or moves the same weight faster, someone is lying about their numbers.
 
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Old Sep 16, 2009 | 01:51 AM
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http://auto.howstuffworks.com/auto-p...sus-torque.htm

In short, torque measures how much work can be done, and hp measures how fast it can be done. the more torque a vehicle has, the more work it can do. read their verdict regarding towing and which is more important.

v10 in 99
310 HP and 425 torque (in a e series i read these ratings were 5 less on each count)

7.3 in 99
275 hp and 520 torque

The 35 extra HP in the v10 wouldnt make half as much difference as the extra 95 ft lbs of torque in the 7.3 while towing.

Numbers dont lie.
 
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Old Sep 16, 2009 | 02:05 AM
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double post.
 
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Old Sep 16, 2009 | 02:06 AM
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Originally Posted by KelVarnson
Geez, I think this has been covered at least ten times in this thread alone.

Example one: If two trucks weigh the same, and are going up the same hill, but one is pulling ahead slightly, the faster one is producing more horsepower.

Example two: If two trucks are going the exact same speed up a hill, but one truck weighs more than the other, the heavier truck is producing more horsepower.

So according to this, torque isn't relevant at all?

Looks like I can trade in my desires for a V10 van and just get a turbo-ed Civic with a decent hitch for all my towing needs. This thread is truely amusing.
 
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