I have never expericenced an error with my SCMT and have not sent it back to the factory for any reason.

If when I get my truck back from service I find that the Dealer tossed a new flash in it that the SCMT doesn't understand, then at that time I guess I'll pack it up and send it back.

I wonder how often the Predator users have had to take advantage of updates from Diablo? Most SCMT users would probably agree that Vic has done a great job the first time around and there's been no need for an update to the general population of users.

Other than the odd user with a shifting problem, or a new Flash from the factory that SC hasn't seen before, the need for updates is such a rare thing that to me it isn't that big of a deal. I'll admit that Internet updates would be nice though - hint for next generation product

 

Thanks for the reply Darryl. I know that the FTE site seems to carry more of the negatives than the positive but overall I'm thinking that unless Vic crosses over to the "dark side", that SC is the way to go. Thanks

Claude

 

Vic, an interesting note regarding the dyno graphs now available on the SC web site.

The stock Ford data released has the engine producing the peak torque at 2000 RPM and peak HP at 3300 RPM. The SC plots for the stock motor are quite a bit different. They have the stock motor making peak torque at around 3000 RPM and peak HP at around 3550 RPM.

I would expect losses through the chassis dyno, but wouldn't expect the overall shape of the curve to change that much from the engine to the rear wheel - just the overall height to be lower at the rear wheel. Any idea why these numbers are so much different?

 

I've mentioned this quite a few times....stock calibrations and power curves will vary!

You have different calibrations, different gear ratios, different tire heights, etc..... these all affect load and power.

Also, try to remember this is a superflow dyno. Superflows tend not to be as "optimistic" as dynojets and give a much more true calculation of power.

Also, keep in mind that the power curve on an 04 strategy truck is very different than an 03. Stock or tuned, it will be about 50-80 ft lbs less than an 03 at the tire.

 

Sold mine that way on EBAY with no problem, thank goodness for them or I would have been stuck with an expensive paperweight!!

 

What post of mine are you referring too? This thread has hundreds of posts and is months old!

 

Ken,

I was referring to the testing you did using both the SCMT and Diablo and told the thread you you have some surprising info but was waiting on some infop from Vic before publishing your results? So which one is the winner?? If you srtill can't publish it can you PM a preliminary of your findings?? Thanks

Claude

 

Wow. That goes way back.

The winner really lies in which you like better.
They both make great power, the 1704 REALLY shines under load (towing) and in the 1/4 mile with the performance program.



RED SOX WIN!!!!

 

Concerning the surprise:

Months ago I asked for dyno charts from both companies. I only received them from DiabloSport. Vic, hate to say it but I was very disappointed with Superchips failure to provide them. I realise that wasn't your fault but the marketing guys there should realise that this type of thing goes a long way with consumers. Even Hypertech puts charts on their site. The DiabloSport numbers were much higher than their advertised 100HP. It got me curious. Then I saw dyno results from users backing it up. I talked to someone at DiabloSport and they said it was a marketing decision to list it as 100 HP. Often, too high numbers equate to "unsafe" in the eyes of consumers. DiabloSport is that way. For instance, they figured out a speed limiter workaround on the Explorer and Ranger but didn't implement it because of the nortorious instability of these vehicles at speed (remember the Explorer rollovers!)...

So I had a dyno test done with both products. Diablo and SCT were very close in gains. Diablo had more power from the start, SCT more on the top. I couldn't publish the full report because something was screwed up on the torque plots. I think the axle ratio wasn't set so the torque numbers, while the graph curves looked correct, showed numbers about the same times higher as the axle ratio. Although it's simple math to correct them I couldn't publish something like that. I planned to redo the test with the ratio corrected so I could show everyone the surprising DiabloSport numbers but have gotten busy, and frankly, things tend to get forgotten.

 

There are plots from a 2004 6.0 harley truck on the superchips website.
03 plots should be up soon (more power stock and modified vs 04.

Remember, no one has independently done any loaded comparisons with power measurement.
The 1704 makes a LOT more power when loaded then when run inertia.

More plots soon....

 

Vic,

I know that it goes "way back", but I dedicated my eyeballs to read the WHOLE thread over the last 3-4 days... So old news for you guys is new news for me!!!. I was entranced by the suspense, but I guess I missed the big unvailing.

I hope you don't mind but I started a thread (Microtuner warfare) yesterday with hopes to eliminate the marketing regurgitation and questions regarding the customer service department of SC. I think people in this thread all know that SC would suffer a great blow if you were to pack your bags!!!....and to be honest you are probably the only reason I am going to buy a SCMT.

I am interested in getting direct feedback from both sides and more so info from people that have tried BOTH, but will try as best I can to avoid the he said she said. That kind of chit chat eats up a thread in no time and for the newbie like me ends up consuming countless hours for no reason.

Claude
P.S. Does SC have a refurbished program, were you can purchase a used unit for a cheaper price (I am already prepared for the whiplash ripples from that one. I am sure that I will get $400 is cheap enough as is, but guess what If I thought it others have as well)

 

I know there are charts now. But I was referring to the lack of getting charts a few months ago when requested. When I asked DiabloSport they said sure, scheduled a truck to come in and had the charts 2-3 days later. Superchips was very delayed in providing charts. I'm not disputing any power claims made by Superchips. The product is superb, as well as your support here --- but I feel it was a very bad decision by marketing to withhold them for so long. I think you'll have to agree with that when you take a look at the number of suspicous accusations is caused by some of FTE's more vocal users.

We'll be doing a head-to-head some time after SEMA. Dyno charts, load and unloaded, plus 1/4 times loaded and unloaded. It will be interesting.

 

No, but you may find this interesting: https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/a...ment.php?f=107

 

Will you be at SEMA?

I'd love to meet you if you are going.

I'll be there from the 3rd-6th (3rd -5th actually at the show)

Send me e-mail and I'll give you cell number.

 

Yes. I'll be there from the 31st - 4th. I'll send an email in a few minutes. Just about have the dyno stuff setup.