Nothing wrong with a boat for many. Many jump from ship to ship on assignments. I was not interested in trading my house, dogs and car for a 6.5' x 4' bunk area and a locker. Personal preference I guess. And it was my choice to take it or not so.....

But the thread is sufficiently derailed so I won't comment further on my Naval assignment options.

 

Don't know. Never been in the navy so can't say for sure. Different military and artillery a lifetime ago so can't say. I didn't like it because I was given a choice. That or prison. People I talk to seem to like being on a boat. Sub guy was "take it or leave it". Hence the question.

 

I don't understand the entire union thing. Why does Ford have to employ union workers? In a capitalistic society it doesn't seem fair that the workers can control the company. Seems totally backward.

 

You are looking at it wrong. Unions were formed as a result of the "dirty, unwashed" workers wanting a say in their pay and working conditions and to stop being treated like cattle. Corporate America is not true capitalism. It's more like feudalism where a privileged, connected, corrupted few run the country.

​​boards of directors vote each other in to be directors of each other's companies. They take turns being ceo's. If they fail, they still get a lifetime of earnings in a golden parachute. There is nothing "free" in American capitalism. It's corrupt and obscene. Unions balance it out, or try to.

The amount of hatred and vitriol towards unions in this thread amazes me. It may be because most of the people who can afford a Superduty are the 5%ers trying to be the 1%ers.

 

It also amazes me too, that some people are lauded, praised because they succeed in getting more, way more than others... Yet, when the average person is wanting a bigger piece of the pie, they are vilified for trying to do the exact same thing that the 1% is doing... anyways as I said before Unions are made by the company/CEO/shareholder's, mistreatment of their workers being treated as a cost $$$,---, instead of the workers being treated as a $$$ +++, if it wasn't for the workers input the company wouldn't make it...

Getting back to the monkeys...
I think a monkey could do the job of a CEO quite easily too... As I understand it the CEO decides what comes next in the companies future, well a monkey could just as easily do the same, by picking an option that is put before it by the lower management, is it going to be ...

A;
B;
C;
D;
and probably would be just as successful at it as any "real" CEO... IMO

 

Again, why don't YOU do it for free? Better yet, set up a company on YOUR money and let said monkey run it?

 

Other than the 5% wanting to be in the 1% category, and nobody caring about anything else, Capitalism would work just fine... Unfortunately, as It is, it is showing huge signs that it IS more like feudalism as egilbe said... This adversarial system as it is set up will be the downfall of this capitalism we have today, what is needed is more caring, more cooperation, less confrontational ways of arriving at a contract both parties would actually benefit from...

MY example of how I bought my house... I explained to the seller how I wanted to "bid" on his house and how he could counter with his "bid"...
1; You, sell the house for what the Minimum you would sell it for "bid"
2; I, buy the house for the Maximum I would buy it for "bid"

Example; sell 100,000
Example; buy 90,000 = no sale

Example, sell 100,000
Example, buy 110,000 = sold for 105,000... That is how I bought my house and got it for 5,000 less than I would have happily payed for it, and that is how he got 5,000 more than he actually wanted/was willing to settle for... a WIN, WIN, in anybody's book. and yes there is/are penalties
Home seller/Company asks too much = no sale, instant strike,
Home buyer/Union demands too much = no sale, instant lock out, why would this work you may be asking, because both parties want a sale, and...nobody really WANT'S a strike or lockout...

Unfortunately in todays cut throat world that isn't how it's done, and here we are, both sides trying to F' the other side for the MAXIMUM... bound to fail.
That is me thinking "outside" of the "box"...

 

Most people who succeed in getting more do something to improve their situation thru training or education, or both. These other people are "vilified" because they are not doing anything to better themselves. Did they offer a increase in production or improved quality control? No, They are offering the same service at the same speed as before and demanding they be paid more for it.
In 10 years when all the Ford trucks are being built in Mexico the strikers will have to contend with the massive loss of jobs to the USA economy.

 

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it’s amazing this guy is equating someone going out and creating a company and creating value to someone asking for more as a group and not on any individual merit.

 

Individual merit went out the window in the 1970's with affirmative action and such policies. Can't score high enough on a hiring or promo exam? No problem. We'll give you X amount of free points on the test for being preferred ethnicity, sex, or other "disenfranchised" group regardless of what you know or are willing to learn about the job.

 

Did you even read my last statement...???

Unfortunately in todays cut throat world that isn't how it's done, and here we are, both sides trying to F' the other side for the MAXIMUM... bound to fail.
That is me thinking "outside" of the "box"...

 

No, no they don't read to post, hell they don't even read what they link.

Well, I'm being directly affected by the strike and I still support it.

My 550's will be built, when?

My stepson truck is in at a Chevy dealership, waiting on a new transmission, well that's going to be a while. I gave him my platinum tremor to use in the intrum. He's 21/22, I'm sure he's out balling in it

 

LOL

you wanna talk about the “poor guys”. Yet you have/have had a bunch of expensive *** vehicles.

At least I’m honest and will admit yes I have some nice things that come from guess what…..my own hard work.

ive never demanded raises across the board just because I’m part of a group. I went through a ton of rejection out of college and decided to go help start a business since it didn’t require a resume or previous job experience that I couldn’t get….because no one would hire without the experience to begin. So figure that one out.

other people I know took whatever job became available and might now wish (if it’s important to them) they could make more. But if they do the same job they’ve always done why would they just start getting more?

anyways quit playing captain America here. Go give up your money for the men & women you might happen to work with so they can have an equivalent amount as you. It is after all what you’re preaching just on a smaller scale right?

im sure there are people involved in your business (whether directly employed or at other businesses that make your job possible) who make much less. Are you outraged about that?

 

I never finished HS, do have my GED. I work very hard for what I have.