With a strike upon us ....
Fleet Mechanic
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From: East TN
Newsflash... most of us are working class people too. The difference is we don't expect extravagant pay for our work - the marketplace sets the pay scale. If we don't like the pay scale we move to a more enticing place, change jobs, etc. In short - we consider ourselves to be responsible for ourselves and don't want or need a "collective" to try and blackmail a company to pay ridiculous wages for very mundane tasks.
Lead Driver
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From: Hartford, WI
Not interested in class. You move where the money is and not sit down and insist people make it right for you.
Fleet Mechanic
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From: Wasilla, AK
If you can’t grasp that concept then this topic is useless
Fleet Mechanic
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I guess my industry is just different, we need the union. Our company would gladly endanger our lives if it wasn’t for some of the language in our contract. Our union also negotiates a great wage and benefits for what we do. The company definitely wouldn’t pay us what they do and give us the benefits we have out of the kindness of their hearts.
Logistics Pro
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Newsflash... most of us are working class people too. The difference is we don't expect extravagant pay for our work - the marketplace sets the pay scale. If we don't like the pay scale we move to a more enticing place, change jobs, etc. In short - we consider ourselves to be responsible for ourselves and don't want or need a "collective" to try and blackmail a company to pay ridiculous wages for very mundane tasks.
Their kids are dispersed again to work in various sectors around the country. Some went Korea and Vietnam and didn’t come back, others got through the drafts and moved on. What the older guys understood, even as union members, was that America is about finding your own way and not relying on the union for life long employment if the industry is changing. They didn't get their kids into the same factories and mines when the writing was on the wall, they told the kids to get on with it and do something better.
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There is a time and place for Unions, just not in the auto manufacturing anymore. Proof of that is the US plants that are non union turning out high quality cars. Cruise THIS forum alone, add in the other truck forums and see all the complaints about this broken, or that not working and add in the posts where the Toyota trucks are better and ask yourself WHY you would buy a Union made truck with low reliability scores?
The only thing the UAW is proud of if sticking it to the Manufacturers. They sure as hell are not proud of the work they do, especially compared to non union factories producing better product.
If Toyota went and built Medium Duty trucks that can compare to the US trucks I would consider them over Ford. I have a beat up 07 RAV4, 188K on it, and other than rust, it starts right up and drives as good as the day it came off the line.
The only thing the UAW is proud of if sticking it to the Manufacturers. They sure as hell are not proud of the work they do, especially compared to non union factories producing better product.
If Toyota went and built Medium Duty trucks that can compare to the US trucks I would consider them over Ford. I have a beat up 07 RAV4, 188K on it, and other than rust, it starts right up and drives as good as the day it came off the line.
Logistics Pro
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There is a time and place for Unions, just not in the auto manufacturing anymore. Proof of that is the US plants that are non union turning out high quality cars. Cruise THIS forum alone, add in the other truck forums and see all the complaints about this broken, or that not working and add in the posts where the Toyota trucks are better and ask yourself WHY you would buy a Union made truck with low reliability scores?
Lead Driver
Joined: Jan 2006
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From: Hartford, WI
What the older guys understood, even as union members, was that America is about finding your own way and not relying on the union for life long employment if the industry is changing. They didn't get their kids into the same factories and mines when the writing was on the wall, they told the kids to get on with it and do something better.
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Cargo Master
Joined: Mar 2005
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working class? I’m working class. Uaw are extortionist. They use their members as bargaining chips in a game that makes them stronger lobbyists. The union was needed because people were worked to death, owned. Now, none of those people are mistreated and work in pristine conditions..and yes most are performing primate level repetitive work. Each one should be evaluated by their employer for their worth to the company. But, well, they’ve figured out and mastered socialism.
Cargo Master
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and that factory is a huge part of my income as a residential construction guy in gtown. I’m sure it has its faults but for the most part it has created a little oasis in gtown. No union needed.
Logistics Pro
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From: East Central Ia
Everyone has a different situation, graduated mid term to work nights, parents charging rent. Union job bought house, next year bought new Ford product. Used all union benefits to pay for car till someone bought since economy went to crap. Couldn't give away a house, felt obligated to pay for what I signed for. Part time crap jobs from horrible place with owners screaming at employees. Did have 2 great guys I worked for but after a wife and child insurance was too much. Back to union for another 23 years. No one is unskilled, just different skills in different fields. Please don't call anyone unskilled.
Cargo Master
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There is a time and place for Unions, just not in the auto manufacturing anymore. Proof of that is the US plants that are non union turning out high quality cars. Cruise THIS forum alone, add in the other truck forums and see all the complaints about this broken, or that not working and add in the posts where the Toyota trucks are better and ask yourself WHY you would buy a Union made truck with low reliability scores?
The only thing the UAW is proud of if sticking it to the Manufacturers. They sure as hell are not proud of the work they do, especially compared to non union factories producing better product.
If Toyota went and built Medium Duty trucks that can compare to the US trucks I would consider them over Ford. I have a beat up 07 RAV4, 188K on it, and other than rust, it starts right up and drives as good as the day it came off the line.
The only thing the UAW is proud of if sticking it to the Manufacturers. They sure as hell are not proud of the work they do, especially compared to non union factories producing better product.
If Toyota went and built Medium Duty trucks that can compare to the US trucks I would consider them over Ford. I have a beat up 07 RAV4, 188K on it, and other than rust, it starts right up and drives as good as the day it came off the line.
Cargo Master
Joined: Mar 2005
Posts: 2,368
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Everyone has a different situation, graduated mid term to work nights, parents charging rent. Union job bought house, next year bought new Ford product. Used all union benefits to pay for car till someone bought since economy went to crap. Couldn't give away a house, felt obligated to pay for what I signed for. Part time crap jobs from horrible place with owners screaming at employees. Did have 2 great guys I worked for but after a wife and child insurance was too much. Back to union for another 23 years. No one is unskilled, just different skills in different fields. Please don't call anyone unskilled.