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Old Aug 20, 2021 | 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted by SkySkiJason
up here with a chip and no EGT. I told the owners to go drive in that hot tune they like and report back after installing gauges. They were exclusively horrified how easy it was to get to 1400* or more - especially climbing mountains around here.
Did any of these folks have an SXE? I guess the common thing I see with folks who have gone the SXE route around here is that EGTs are rendered a non issue for all but the most extreme situations.
 
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Originally Posted by PriusLover
Did any of these folks have an SXE? I guess the common thing I see with folks who have gone the SXE route around here is that EGTs are rendered a non issue for all but the most extreme situations.
Probably, unless you encounter an unknown issue. EGT is a pretty important item to monitor on a diesel. I would even recommend it to someone running stock. You just never know when something is amiss and causing a concern. For example leaking uppipes on a stock truck. Or even with the T4 you could blow out a bellow.

Sure, you would be likely to catch it by feel but I like to know how hot it’s running.
 
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Old Aug 20, 2021 | 03:16 PM
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Originally Posted by PriusLover
Did any of these folks have an SXE? I guess the common thing I see with folks who have gone the SXE route around here is that EGTs are rendered a non issue for all but the most extreme situations.
When I install upgraded injectors, etc - EGT’s are never an issue except doing something dumb in a hot tune. Sure, the SXE is ‘better’ but stock turbos do a great job of set up correctly and running good tunes.

What RJWV said is the best reason. It only takes a small drive pressure or boost leak to throw your world out of whack. You can easily send EGT through the roof without knowing it.

Never knowing in the first place is like flying blindfolded. Believe me, there are ‘popular’ tuners out there putting out some really, really bad stuff. With no baseline, you could do damage before ya know it.

on edit: it’s unlikely you will ever hurt anything with stock tuning.
 
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Old Aug 20, 2021 | 05:04 PM
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Originally Posted by SkySkiJason
on edit: it’s unlikely you will ever hurt anything with stock tuning.
Probably can’t hurt anything stock, but main reason is to know you aren’t running at top efficiency and in need of some repair.

To go along with that there’s really no reason for a boost gauge at all except for monitoring a baseline to know when something is not right.
 
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Old Aug 21, 2021 | 03:37 AM
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Talking about efficiency,has anyone studied,does turbos have an specific range of desired EGTs?
 
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Old Aug 21, 2021 | 05:58 AM
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Originally Posted by FinnishStroker
Talking about efficiency,has anyone studied,does turbos have an specific range of desired EGTs?
Deep in turbo science temperature deltas come into play. That is part of the the reason for insulating headers and up-pipes. I’ve read: ‘Heat is also driving the turbo’.

On that same topic, there is an argument against large diameter exhaust that says too big allows the gasses to cool and cool gasses don’t flow as well as warm gasses. This gets into laminar flow, etc. Plus, once you get serious about going fast, weight becomes a significant factor.
 
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Old Aug 21, 2021 | 07:40 AM
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Originally Posted by SkySkiJason
Deep in turbo science temperature deltas come into play. That is part of the the reason for insulating headers and up-pipes. I’ve read: ‘Heat is also driving the turbo’.
Heat is energy. If the heat dissipates before hitting the turbine then you’ve wasted some of your energy driving the turbo. Keep the heat in to retain the most energy as possible. Wrapped uppipes for dual benefit of added performance and noise reduction, however small these may be.

In the gas naturally aspirated world, exhaust velocity comes into play with scavenging the cylinders and actually helping to pull in the intake charge.
 
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Old Aug 21, 2021 | 08:53 AM
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Yes,i have always thinked that turbos hot side needs all possible heat.
Everything is wrapped up in racing etc.

But would turbine be even more efficient beyond melting point of pistons?

I would say yes,because ceramic piston coating etc.

What is redline temp for typical cast turbine housing and inconel turbine?(too lazy to search If someone has the data)
 
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Old Aug 21, 2021 | 02:49 PM
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Still having a sealing issue on my driver side up-pipe, even after tightening the bolts (which seem to be deforming). FYI I sanded the sealing surface prior to connecting the up pipes.

Have to say I'm a little disappointed with the connecting block piece irate used in this kit. As you can see in the picture this one is bending from the pressure of the bolts. The block on the stock up pipes is much thicker/heavier, and the ridge that presses against the up-pipe flange has a chamfer to match the flange, distributing the clamping pressure... This one doesn't have that. Additionally the supplied bolts are weaker as they are fully threaded compared to the stock ones.

Not sure how much boost I'm loosing from this leak. Aside from trying to sand the manifold more I'm not sure how I can address this. I could try and fashion a copper ring* to sandwich between the manifold and up-pipe. I could also apply some JB Weld 1800° exhaust sealant.

Suggestions are appreciated. I have no idea how "bad" this leak is... If y'all think it's not too bad, I'll wait to address it until the transmission is out when I'll have much easier access.

*Does anyone have the ID/OD of the exhaust manifold ball joint/up-pipe mating surface?
 
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Old Aug 21, 2021 | 03:49 PM
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Doesn’t look too bad to me. I say run it!
 
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Old Aug 21, 2021 | 10:31 PM
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Doesn’t look too bad to me. I say run it!
^^^ I'm with this fella... As usual...
 
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Old Aug 21, 2021 | 10:40 PM
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Almost looks like moisture dripping soot

id say grt a buddy to torque brake it while you put your heand next to it and feel for air/look for smoke

if its negligible, run it
 
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Old Aug 22, 2021 | 05:39 AM
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I'm with the guys above. Run a smoke tune until the soot plugs the leak.
 
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Old Aug 22, 2021 | 09:20 AM
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It looks like you could do a better job centering the up-pipe on the manifold. Try loosening the side that is too close and then tightening the other side. Ultimately, we’d like to see the same amount of thread past each nut...

Yes, even a tiny leak like this HURTS performance. I would address this sooner or later. This is the type of thing that can happen over time and increased EGT may be your first indication.
 
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Old Aug 22, 2021 | 09:24 AM
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I don’t see any kind of gasket ever surviving that environment....

If gasket/sealant failure provides an opportunity to send shrapnel into 1200* turbine wheel spinning at 50k rpm’s, then it’s reallllly a bad idea.
 
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