Building a Shop
Fleet Mechanic
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From: Kemptville, ON,
So, I took my drawings to Kinkos to get large copies. Dang just over $5 a sheet.
I need to square up my pad. So, I'm thinking running a line from corner to corner on the front side to get a straight baseline. Then another line on the side and square that up. Once I have those set I will measure my anchor bolts from there.
If anyone has suggestions as to a better way, I'm all ears.
I need to square up my pad. So, I'm thinking running a line from corner to corner on the front side to get a straight baseline. Then another line on the side and square that up. Once I have those set I will measure my anchor bolts from there.
If anyone has suggestions as to a better way, I'm all ears.
Does that make sense? I could probably do it faster than it took to type this out.
Spelling mistakes are free today.
Mountain Pass
Joined: May 2013
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From: Southwestern Ontario
Haven’t heard much so how goes the battle? It looks like you have a very complicated mechano set to build but it will probably be easier than you think. Hopefully you can find a couple helpers to make things move along.
One bite at a time and it will be done in no time, or at least before the snow flies.
One bite at a time and it will be done in no time, or at least before the snow flies.
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From: Jefferson City, MO
I've got some movement here. A high school buddy of my son has agreed to help me with this project. He has some construction experience. Hopefully we can get measurements done this evening and I can start putting in anchor bolts.
But, I also have another angle. A contractor called me back. He replaced a roof for us several years ago as he was just starting up his business. He didn't call me back, but he posted on facebook that he finished a project. Well my wife commented that we have a building on the ground ready to go up. So, he called me today and will be out this afternoon to take a look.
I've been sorting parts and looking to see how we can set things up to reduce labor time. I've got a template for the columns also to help in setting proper locations.
If my contractor will take the job, I will go with him to just get it done quickly. I wanted this up many months ago.
Of course the building company hasn't gotten back to me about insulation. Man they suck. I'm hoping the contractor can get the insulation. I would sure rather give him my money.
But, I also have another angle. A contractor called me back. He replaced a roof for us several years ago as he was just starting up his business. He didn't call me back, but he posted on facebook that he finished a project. Well my wife commented that we have a building on the ground ready to go up. So, he called me today and will be out this afternoon to take a look.
I've been sorting parts and looking to see how we can set things up to reduce labor time. I've got a template for the columns also to help in setting proper locations.
If my contractor will take the job, I will go with him to just get it done quickly. I wanted this up many months ago.
Of course the building company hasn't gotten back to me about insulation. Man they suck. I'm hoping the contractor can get the insulation. I would sure rather give him my money.
Laughing Gas
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From: Madera Ranchos
I hope this contractor comes through for you and takes the job. You will be so much more relieved. Sheeting that job and roofing is a whole new world, when it comes to that type of work. A case of bandaides are a requirement
Mountain Pass
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From: Southwestern Ontario
Good to hear that you can start moving the project forward after waiting so long. I have been reading about how frustrating the process can be but you have stuck to it.
Having a plan b in case the contractor doesn’t come through is always a good idea. Snow probably isn’t too far off for you so any help you can get will help speed you along.
Before you know it your truck will be tucked safely inside and it looks like there should be room for a second truck.
Having a plan b in case the contractor doesn’t come through is always a good idea. Snow probably isn’t too far off for you so any help you can get will help speed you along.
Before you know it your truck will be tucked safely inside and it looks like there should be room for a second truck.
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Lead Driver
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From: Jefferson City, MO
Well, I walk out of my office today and it is sprinkling. By the time I get to my car it is pouring. So, I doubt I will get much measuring done today.
The contractor came out and said he has never done a red iron building and isn't comfortable having his business doing the work without help. He helped is brother in law build a 60X90 shop, but he doesn't want to risk his business name on it. His brother in law does fencing and other metal work. He is super busy so he wouldn't be able to help. He said he would reach out to another guy that has done this work and check his availability.
Back to square one. My studies have gone well and I'm getting more comfortable with the thought of doing it myself. But, I want to get it done quickly.....
The contractor came out and said he has never done a red iron building and isn't comfortable having his business doing the work without help. He helped is brother in law build a 60X90 shop, but he doesn't want to risk his business name on it. His brother in law does fencing and other metal work. He is super busy so he wouldn't be able to help. He said he would reach out to another guy that has done this work and check his availability.
Back to square one. My studies have gone well and I'm getting more comfortable with the thought of doing it myself. But, I want to get it done quickly.....
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From: Jefferson City, MO
So, I have a crew and they will start the first of October. My son's friend, his foreman, and another co-worker will do the work on their own time. So, weekends and evenings. I think they are over charging me, but I need to get it up. I will be working along side of them.
I'm currently sorting all the materials so it will be quicker and easier when they start.
We were discussing insulation. The steel company has delayed so much on the insulation that it won't arrive in a timely manner. The foreman suggested spray foam insulation. He said it insulates better, getting all the cracks that wind might find a way through and can be done after the building is up so we don't have to wait. Any thoughts on spray foam insulation. I won't be covering the walls at first, hopefully sometime down the road, but a lift will be a higher priority.
Now to get insulation companies to get back with me. Dang!
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From: Jefferson City, MO
Simpson replied back quickly:
It looks like wedge anchors are designed to be used without epoxy and they don't bother testing that setup. I would assume all company wedge anchors are similar. By the way, I sent that out this morning and they replied by noon. Nice! After all the delayed or no response from people it is good to have someone reply quickly.
Dear Joe,
Thank you for your email regarding wedge anchors and epoxy.
Simpson Strong-Tie wedge anchors are tested to determine their capacity based on physical contact with the base material without the use of epoxy. There is no test data to support the use of our wedge anchors with epoxy.
Thank you,
Christopher Rizer, E.I.
Simpson Strong-Tie Company Inc.
Your comment:
I'm installing wedge anchors on a 30X40X12 red iron building. Should I also use your epoxy for additional support?
It looks like wedge anchors are designed to be used without epoxy and they don't bother testing that setup. I would assume all company wedge anchors are similar. By the way, I sent that out this morning and they replied by noon. Nice! After all the delayed or no response from people it is good to have someone reply quickly.
Dear Joe,
Thank you for your email regarding wedge anchors and epoxy.
Simpson Strong-Tie wedge anchors are tested to determine their capacity based on physical contact with the base material without the use of epoxy. There is no test data to support the use of our wedge anchors with epoxy.
Thank you,
Christopher Rizer, E.I.
Simpson Strong-Tie Company Inc.
Your comment:
I'm installing wedge anchors on a 30X40X12 red iron building. Should I also use your epoxy for additional support?
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Hotshot
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From: SE Wisc. (the Rust Belt)
If you feel they are overcharging you to do the job on the side then you must have let it be known you are extremely desperate to get this done. If they are doing it on the side they should be giving you a decent discount because they don't have many of the cost of doing normal business.
One of my previous employers sent their employees to a seminar on business bargaining. The main lesson I took away from the seminar is never let your opposition know how bad you want what they have be it a product, service or their money. Funny thing is when I restarted my business they asked me to do some contract work for them. I gave them my price and my former boss tried to get me to lower the price, I could tell he was using what he was taught. The problem was, for him, is I knew they went to a couple of other places to have the work done and they got bad service that took time to repair and they were charged more by the other places. Secondly, I really didn't need or want their project. So I knew they needed me more than I needed them. I got the job and many more for my going price.
One of my previous employers sent their employees to a seminar on business bargaining. The main lesson I took away from the seminar is never let your opposition know how bad you want what they have be it a product, service or their money. Funny thing is when I restarted my business they asked me to do some contract work for them. I gave them my price and my former boss tried to get me to lower the price, I could tell he was using what he was taught. The problem was, for him, is I knew they went to a couple of other places to have the work done and they got bad service that took time to repair and they were charged more by the other places. Secondly, I really didn't need or want their project. So I knew they needed me more than I needed them. I got the job and many more for my going price.
Fleet Mechanic
Joined: Apr 2015
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From: Kemptville, ON,
So, should I use epoxy with wedge anchors? The guy leading my build mentioned the epoxy, I have only spoke to him through my son's friend. I sent an email to Simpson to ask them if it is needed.
So, I have a crew and they will start the first of October. My son's friend, his foreman, and another co-worker will do the work on their own time. So, weekends and evenings. I think they are over charging me, but I need to get it up. I will be working along side of them.
I'm currently sorting all the materials so it will be quicker and easier when they start.
We were discussing insulation. The steel company has delayed so much on the insulation that it won't arrive in a timely manner. The foreman suggested spray foam insulation. He said it insulates better, getting all the cracks that wind might find a way through and can be done after the building is up so we don't have to wait. Any thoughts on spray foam insulation. I won't be covering the walls at first, hopefully sometime down the road, but a lift will be a higher priority.
Now to get insulation companies to get back with me. Dang!
So, I have a crew and they will start the first of October. My son's friend, his foreman, and another co-worker will do the work on their own time. So, weekends and evenings. I think they are over charging me, but I need to get it up. I will be working along side of them.
I'm currently sorting all the materials so it will be quicker and easier when they start.
We were discussing insulation. The steel company has delayed so much on the insulation that it won't arrive in a timely manner. The foreman suggested spray foam insulation. He said it insulates better, getting all the cracks that wind might find a way through and can be done after the building is up so we don't have to wait. Any thoughts on spray foam insulation. I won't be covering the walls at first, hopefully sometime down the road, but a lift will be a higher priority.
Now to get insulation companies to get back with me. Dang!
As for spray foam, be careful here. Some products are flammable, not cool when you want to weld or grind. There are also bonding issues to steel with some products. Not sure how much your building will move (most do) that might affect your insulation as well.
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From: Jefferson City, MO
It is a concern if someone gets hurt. But, it's either get a crew not associated with a business or do it completely myself. There are no construction companies that will do the job. Shoot, most won't even return phone calls.
Good tips on the insulation. I will be sure to ask those questions.
Good tips on the insulation. I will be sure to ask those questions.
Laughing Gas
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From: Madera Ranchos
Joe
It is worth a call to your homeowner insurance carrier and explain to them your plans, they may have a temporary policy that you can purchase for the time of construction. I concur with Marten on the spray foam, finding a water leak in the roof is a near impossibility.
It is worth a call to your homeowner insurance carrier and explain to them your plans, they may have a temporary policy that you can purchase for the time of construction. I concur with Marten on the spray foam, finding a water leak in the roof is a near impossibility.
Hotshot
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From: Burbank, WA
I had my shop insulated fully with R21 fiberglass batt, roof and walls. They covered that with a fire-retardant vinyl-paper like material for code compliance since it was all exposed. I have never regretted it one bit. It rarely dips below 40F in winter without a furnace, and it can get pretty cold here, and stays cool enough in the summer (as long as you keep the doors closed to keep the cool air in) that I can be comfortable 99% of the time with nothing more than a fan or two.
More Turbo
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I used what they call flash and batt. A couple inches spray foam covered with about 6" of fiberglass. I did sheet my walls and blown in fiberglass in the ceiling. Up to -26 in the winter here and no problem maintaining the temp with 1 small electric heater on the low setting. My work truck is kept in this building so my 12x12 door is opened several times a day.
Fleet Mechanic
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Joe
It is worth a call to your homeowner insurance carrier and explain to them your plans, they may have a temporary policy that you can purchase for the time of construction. I concur with Marten on the spray foam, finding a water leak in the roof is a near impossibility.
It is worth a call to your homeowner insurance carrier and explain to them your plans, they may have a temporary policy that you can purchase for the time of construction. I concur with Marten on the spray foam, finding a water leak in the roof is a near impossibility.
Everyone is a friend or a buddy until they get hurt and a lawyer is involved. Then all bets are off. No such thing as a “good guy” in those situations.
In terms of coverage you should be able to get a workers comp policy as well as an umbrella and/or increase your limits. If it were me I would get the highest level of coverage I could. In the scheme of things the added cost is cheap compared to the total cost of the building and putting your financial future at risk….
FYI, ex insurance guy. Seen a lot…
As an aside, NEVER loan your ladder to anyone, even your best friend. 3rd party ladder injuries, Top 3 homeowner claim…
