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Old May 21, 2014 | 09:27 PM
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OK I have a problem child 2002 Excursion that ran great when I parked it in my shop 6 months ago but now starts rough and while driving will billow black-grey smoke when you go WOT. It will shake pretty good too.

I took some data with my AE and the Baro / MAP / xxx are all within .5 of each other. I also datalogged ICP, IPR_DC and RPMS starting from idle, then to 1.5k and then WOT (3.4K). When you go WOT in park the truck shakes and blows the same black-grey smoke and shake. It will idle pretty steady afterwards.

The truck fails the CCT on cylinder 8 but It always has since I've had the grey CPS in. I slapped a new grey CPS in and there was no change. I also changed the fuel filter with the same results. Any ideas?


 
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Old May 22, 2014 | 07:58 AM
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First... great job on the graphing.

Now... it's hard to sort things out in Park - the truck has no load. You would want to see the numbers with a load, like WOT in gear on the highway. I have done 0-80 MPH runs in the past, this allowed me to get all the way through to OD with the foot feeling the floor. I do not recommend 80 MPH, as this will exceed any speed limit I know of... so enter at your own risk.

The PIDs you want (change out Transmission Fluid Temperature with Torque Converter Slip):



What you would see... if the stupid Album feature worked correctly... is:

Fuel Injector Pulse Width (Max 6)
Injector Control Pressure PSI (Max 3500)
Injector Control Pressure Duty Cycle (%)
RPM (Max 3500)
Manifold Absolute Pressure PSI (Max 45)
Exhaust Back Pressure (Max 55)
Torque Converter Slip (Max 500) - Don't panic when this goes of-scale, it should lock in at about 35 MPH or more when the transmission is warm enough.
Vehicle Speed (Max 100)
Engine oil Temperature (Max 250)
 
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Old May 22, 2014 | 08:56 AM
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Thanks for the reply. I will test this tonight when I get home from work. The truck really falls on its face when jumping out on the highway so it should really be an entertaining graph!
 
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Old Jun 1, 2014 | 09:53 PM
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I read them all.

Just like it says.

I read all 36 pages and copied many pages to refer to when I am on the side of the road.

I am fried in the brain.

However, what a wonderful thread to read.

I will say Tugly you are a great asset to the Forum.

I used my AE with trial and error,; now I have real information to use on data I clearly did not understand.

Thanks, I am grateful to all that is on this Forum helping the slow learner
( that would be me).
 

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Old Jun 1, 2014 | 10:25 PM
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Consolidate info ?

Is there a chance your thread could be condense down to relative information. Not that other posts weren't interesting but I would like to have a go-to reference book. I made copies of what I thought would be helpful, but my brain is like what Timothy Leary must have felt when he introduced Acid to the Boomers in the early 50's.
 
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Old Jun 2, 2014 | 07:04 AM
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That is a long-term plan. I have much more information that hasn't been conveyed yet, but I am absolutely buried in work right now. This might be a fall or winter project.

In the mean time, I have another AE thread with graphs and troubleshooting somewhere. I'd link it, but I have to get to work right now.
 
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Old Jun 2, 2014 | 07:10 AM
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Earmarked other Thread

I know the one.

I earmarked it, so I could go back to it.

I will it today.

Again, Thanks for your TIME and effort on this project.

I have learned so much.
 
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Old Jun 2, 2014 | 11:04 AM
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dunterhead, I don't know if I should applaud you or call 911 to have you checked out. You ok?

Honestly, I agree completely. A great thread and very informative. Quite the education.
 
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Old Jun 2, 2014 | 11:57 AM
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I don't think you were meant to read it in one setting.
 
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Old Jul 21, 2014 | 07:04 PM
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A quick AE question. Does a truck brain somehow keep track of the miles driven, and if so can it be found with the AE? My reason for asking is I found an 06 Ford van with 27k on it. The price is fairly good and I could use it, but I don't want to find out it was really 127k. I don't know if they can still turn them back or not. It is at a car lot. It is a club wagon with all the bells and whistles. They want $12,000. It looks like it is new.
 
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Old Jul 21, 2014 | 08:27 PM
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If it has a digital odometer, i have heard of people swapping out the cluster. Mileage isn't tracked by the PCM, so if the cluster has been swapped and you can read it with AE, it will give you the same number as what the cluster reads.
 
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Old Jul 22, 2014 | 06:28 AM
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Originally Posted by greg_8507
If it has a digital odometer, i have heard of people swapping out the cluster. Mileage isn't tracked by the PCM, so if the cluster has been swapped and you can read it with AE, it will give you the same number as what the cluster reads.
Thanks for that info. I wasn't sure being new to AE.
 
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Old Jul 22, 2014 | 04:21 PM
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You can get into all the different systems using AE. But I don't know which system the odometer falls under.
 
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Old Jul 23, 2014 | 06:11 AM
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Odo is dash-only. AE can talk to the overhead, but not to the dash.
 
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Old Sep 1, 2014 | 08:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Tugly
Man... I just read the post above again and I realize this is a tough one to simplify, yet explain it completely. Paring it to the bone:
  1. Unplug ICP sensor on a running warm engine and AE says IPR is about 14%, with ICP 700 PSI.
  2. Plug ICP sensor back in and IPR should drop to about 11% and ICP about 480 PSI at idle on a stock truck.
If you see anything different than that, ask questions.
If you reverse this procedure, would you expect the same results?
 
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