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If you ever get in an accident then it REALLY counts, because the insurance companies usually look at book value, vs. actual value. I picked mine up for 17K, which was high but I wanted one that had NOT been plowed with and low miles.
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I haven't checked in here for a while, and am amzed at some of the stuff spewing here. A V10 out-pulling a 6.7 Dodge? No it didn't, not stock, not now, not ever. Hey I OWN a V0 and I love it, but my Dad's '07 6.7 Dodge is a MUCH, MUCH better towing machine! It's not even close. Don't get me wrong, I think the V10 is a great puller and has been perfect for my needs and my budget, but come on, let's at least keep this somewhat believable. As for the diesel guys, why are you guys so focused on the value of your truck at sale time? Are you looking forward to dumping it THAT much? My boss is always bragging about the resale of his Harley vs a Japanese sportbike in the same way. Hey, if I had to ride one of those pigs, I'd want it to be worth a lot, too! Did you guys forget you also paid that premium price when you bought it? You paid $7K more, and now you get $5K more when you sell, so am I missing something? Hey, buy and drive what you like, I know I did...
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I am really glad that smeone out there with a 6.0 (sometimes a leaker) hasn't had many or no problems. You are one of the lucky ones. I probably know of 8-10 of my friends that had 6.0's and all but one have traded off, with a couple going to Dodge and Chevy. The one hold out with his 6.0 says as soon as his warranty runs out, he is dumping his for a new 6.7. One of my good friends in Tennessee just sold his '97 7.3 and bought a used 6.0 in immaculate condition and at a great price. He was leary since the Car Quote says it had been in the shop 26 times but he figured everything was fixed so it should be a good one. I wished him luck.
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Well, KBB still has my 02 (10 Year old Truck w/95k miles) Listed for over $20,000. So resale I think DOES count.
If you ever get in an accident then it REALLY counts, because the insurance companies usually look at book value, vs. actual value. I picked mine up for 17K, which was high but I wanted one that had NOT been plowed with and low miles.
If you ever get in an accident then it REALLY counts, because the insurance companies usually look at book value, vs. actual value. I picked mine up for 17K, which was high but I wanted one that had NOT been plowed with and low miles.
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KBB is worthless, when I bought my truck, KBB had it listed at $24K, which in the real world, where I bought mine, it was probably worth $16-$18K. I paid $18,500 or probably a bit more than it was really worth, but three years later, it still looks like brand-new, which is why I don't mind paying more initially for a lightly used vehicle of any kind. Even now, my truck lists for near what I paid, but there's no way it's ever actually gonna sell for that, and neither will yours.
And for the record, I wasn't the one who brought up values.. however it is something I frequently monitor on ALL my vehicles. Hell, my 97 Subaru w/ 258,000 miles is still "valued" at over 2 grand... I'd be lucky to move it for 1 bill!
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I love my 7.3 diesel! I've had gassers all my life and as far as my truck goes I will never have anything but a diesel from now on.
I also love this thread! I smile every time I read a new post on this thread and many times LOL!
Just remember we all like our FORDS unless it has a 6.0 or v10 or you drive it in winter
I also love this thread! I smile every time I read a new post on this thread and many times LOL!
Just remember we all like our FORDS unless it has a 6.0 or v10 or you drive it in winter
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Well, KBB still has my 02 (10 Year old Truck w/95k miles) Listed for over $20,000. So resale I think DOES count.
If you ever get in an accident then it REALLY counts, because the insurance companies usually look at book value, vs. actual value. I picked mine up for 17K, which was high but I wanted one that had NOT been plowed with and low miles.
If you ever get in an accident then it REALLY counts, because the insurance companies usually look at book value, vs. actual value. I picked mine up for 17K, which was high but I wanted one that had NOT been plowed with and low miles.
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From: Garden Valley, Idaho
I love my 7.3 diesel! I've had gassers all my life and as far as my truck goes I will never have anything but a diesel from now on.
I also love this thread! I smile every time I read a new post on this thread and many times LOL!
Just remember we all like our FORDS unless it has a 6.0 or v10 or you drive it in winter
I also love this thread! I smile every time I read a new post on this thread and many times LOL!
Just remember we all like our FORDS unless it has a 6.0 or v10 or you drive it in winter
Just think, my V-10 starts in the winter without any extra fuel additives or paying a premium for No. 1 diesel. Everyone that I have talked to that has a V-10, loves it and wouldn't trade it for a diesel and that includes all of the diesel engine models except for the new 6.7.
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Just think, my V-10 starts in the winter without any extra fuel additives or paying a premium for No. 1 diesel. Everyone that I have talked to that has a V-10, loves it and wouldn't trade it for a diesel and that includes all of the diesel engine models except for the new 6.7.
Ethanol was horrible in the hemi, when my local stations went from regular gas to ethanol blend I went from 14-16mpg to 10-12mpg. I dont know if it's any better on the "flex fuel" motors, but I hate ethanol, it's one of the reasons I went to diesel. And FYI, there is no "Premium" on the winter blend.... they just switch over. It just kills fuel economy by 1-2mpg.
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Maybe a 6 leaker with a SCT tuner would clean my clock, but I doubt it, maybe slowly pass me but not clean my clock. The thing is that after he passed me and he got to the top of the hill, he'd have to pull over and puuck his guts out, then I'd pass him. If you go to any Ford dealer's shop and look in, most of what you see is 6 leakers. Now that most all of the 6 leakers are past warranty, the poor slob that buys one is really hanging out. I feel sorry for them since most think they are getting a really good deal on a nice Ford SD diesel but it will eat their lunch.
Not everyone who buys a 6.0L is ignorant of there potential issues, If I wanted a newer truck, I would buy a 6.0L in a heartbeat. I can fix it for not that much, get a good deal on it to begin with, and have a truck that will really haul the mail when fixed.
In 99% of the cases where I pass someone towing my AS, they see that I am a V-10 and punch it even more. Only one Dodge diesel towing a small 16' utility trailer was able to pass me going up some of those monster hills outside of Las Vegas and even then, blowing smoke and noisy as hell, he just barely passed me.
Sorry, must have been the 6.4, anyway it was a 2008
ford diesel. I can't keep up with all of the diesel engine changes these past few years. It was the last of the International diesels that required the cab lifted to change out the glow plugs or work on the engine. I wonder what that's going to cost once the warranty runs out.
ford diesel. I can't keep up with all of the diesel engine changes these past few years. It was the last of the International diesels that required the cab lifted to change out the glow plugs or work on the engine. I wonder what that's going to cost once the warranty runs out.
I don't like the 6.leaker any more than anyone else, but you obviously don't understand the true downfalls of the 6.0. They can be overcome at the hand of someone with skillz and a little bit of know how. It's not too terribly hard to stud it, deck the heads CORRECTLY, do an EGR delete, oil cooler, and put the correct coolant in it with a coolant filter. Problems.... SOLVED... From then on the only issue you have to look forward to is the spool valves in the injectors, but that's no big deal really IMO. When the issues are fixed, the 6.0 really is a running little engine. Tune only 6.0's are putting down around 400hp at the wheels.
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From: Garden Valley, Idaho
So I really hope you buy a 6.0 around a 2007 which will be close to my 2008 V-10 and we'll see who goes 300,000 miles before needing a rebuild, and, we'll see who has the most shop time as well.
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That's not resale value. That is finding a sucker.
Fleet Mechanic
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I wonder what you will do when your warranty on your 6.4 runs out and you'll have to pay to "lift the cab" just to change the glow plugs. What about that $1500 soot bag? Now that's going to be a sucker.