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Oct 15, 2009 | 06:57 PM

#2341

SteveBricks

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Originally Posted by HuntsDucks70

if its not at the dealer for warranty work. LOL!!!!

we should through out some OASIS reports for our trucks, which power plant sees the dealer more often?

Got a mouse in your pocket? LOL!!!!

I don't think anyone's going to argue about that one, but that's not what this thread is about.

Oct 15, 2009 | 07:37 PM

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phillips91

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Originally Posted by HuntsDucks70

if its not at the dealer for warranty work. LOL!!!!

we should through out some OASIS reports for our trucks, which power plant sees the dealer more often?

Whether this is correct or not I don't know, but according to wikipedia by 2006 the 6.0 had the lowest number of warranty claims for all of fords gas and diesel engines. Since this is including all psd vs all v10's I don't think it's a favorable comparison for the v10. The only problem with the 7.3 was that a $20 part that takes 5 minutes to change MIGHT go bad around 100k miles(and they gave us the part for free whether ours was bad or not). The 6.0 had major problems in 03 and 04, but what do you expect from a new engine? The only problem with the 6.4 so far is the dpf, which is not a durability issue. The triton had its share of problems when it first came out too.

Oct 15, 2009 | 09:11 PM

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BigF350

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Originally Posted by phillips91

Whether this is correct or not I don't know, but according to wikipedia by 2006 the 6.0 had the lowest number of warranty claims for all of fords gas and diesel engines.

There are lies, damned lies and then statistics.

Look at figures enough you make them say what you want them too!

Oct 15, 2009 | 11:57 PM

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2001400ex

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Originally Posted by Monster-4

You mean like this?
https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/8...entral-oh.html

Or this?
https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/8...-part-2-a.html

I stand corrected.

Even though I am on the PSD side, I will say comparing a 2000 V10 to a 2008 PSD is not really fair. Of course that was mentioned several times in the thread. What is funny though, I would say a 2000 7.3 would run right with a 2008 V10 whereas it is proven the 2000 V10 will not hold a candle to the 2008 PSD. So that in and of itself kind of ends the arguement.

Well until you start talking cost and maintenance. For me, the overiding factor is miles range when driving. In other words, the V10 my father in law had could go about 200 miles while towing at 60 mph (in 75 mph zone in MT) while I can go 240 miles pushing it at 70 mph. If I were to go 60 I would bet I can get 275 miles, but I never drive that slow. This is with about 8,000 of a big, not aerodymanic camper.

SSSoooooo, when ya'll do it again, factoring in mpg would be cool.

Oct 16, 2009 | 12:02 AM

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2001400ex

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Originally Posted by HuntsDucks70

if its not at the dealer for warranty work. LOL!!!!

we should through out some OASIS reports for our trucks, which power plant sees the dealer more often?

That is actually a positive... in that I got a warranty til 100,000 miles!

And mine is a bad example. It has been in the shop since I bought it due to poor maintenance by the prior owner. I think I have the bugs worked out now through trial and error. A little cleaning, 5/40 synthetic, and diesel kleen and it is much cooler, quieter, and better to drive. Just have to do the ball joints (which is pretty much every SD that was built), exhaust and programmer and will be good to go for another 100,000 miles.

And the exhaust/programmer is due to my desire to tow 10,000 pounds at 75 mph up 6% grades for 8 miles in 100 degree heat. In cooler weather or driving normal speeds, it tows great.

Oct 16, 2009 | 12:29 AM

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KelVarnson

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Originally Posted by 2001400ex

I would say a 2000 7.3 would run right with a 2008 V10

Stock?! I seriously doubt it! Don't the recent V10's have like 360 HP? No way a stock 7.3 is going to hold a candle to that.

Oct 16, 2009 | 01:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Brooksd1991

or about 20 mexicans

um... ok,

Oct 16, 2009 | 09:08 AM

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2001400ex

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Originally Posted by KelVarnson

Stock?! I seriously doubt it! Don't the recent V10's have like 360 HP? No way a stock 7.3 is going to hold a candle to that.

I have NEVER seen a stock 7.3 and I doubt there are many stock 7.3s around. The point was never stock to stock. So every 7.3 I have seen has a programmer and an exhaust which are minimal upgrades, around $500. I agree you shouldn't compare a heavily modified truck to a stock one, but a bolt on and a programmer is fair game.

And yes from what I have seen, the programmed/exahust 7.3 will outpull my stock 6.0, which I know will outpull a 2002 V10 (from prior experience). For a 2008 V10, I would GUESS the 7.3 will at least keep up with it.

P.S. The last sentence, now I am bench racing... hehe

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Oct 16, 2009 | 09:13 AM

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Johnny Langton

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Originally Posted by 2001400ex

I have NEVER seen a stock 7.3 and I doubt there are many stock 7.3s around. The point was never stock to stock. So every 7.3 I have seen has a programmer and an exhaust which are minimal upgrades, around $500. I agree you shouldn't compare a heavily modified truck to a stock one, but a bolt on and a programmer is fair game.

And yes from what I have seen, the programmed/exahust 7.3 will outpull my stock 6.0, which I know will outpull a 2002 V10 (from prior experience). for 2008, I would GUESS the 7.3 will at least keep up with it.

Well,we'll just have to see about this. A good friend of mine has a 2003 7.3L CC. I've got a 2005 6.8L CC. He's got a 3.73 rear axle,mine's a 4.10. He's running a 75hp custom program,and mine has a custom tune (probably 20hp tops).
We'll line 'em up next time he's in from Brownsville and see who's quicker empty,and who pulls the gooseneck with a load on it better.
JL

Oct 16, 2009 | 09:32 AM

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2001400ex

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Originally Posted by Johnny Langton

That is great!!! So I assume the 7.3 has the older tranny? I know the 2003 and up tranny is much better, but don't know if they ever mated it to the 7.3.

Oct 16, 2009 | 09:38 AM

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Johnny Langton

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Originally Posted by 2001400ex

That is great!!! So I assume the 7.3 has the older tranny? I know the 2003 and up tranny is much better, but don't know if they ever mated it to the 7.3.

Yes, it's a 4R100-the 7.3L never was equipped with the 5R110(torqshift).
JL

Oct 16, 2009 | 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by phillips91

Whether this is correct or not I don't know, but according to wikipedia by 2006 the 6.0 had the lowest number of warranty claims for all of fords gas and diesel engines.

I would hope so since they only made the engine for only 3 1/2 years! The 7.3 was made for 15 1/2 years and the gassers have been made since the beginning of time. I bet if you averaged it out to claims per production year that it would be a very different story!

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Originally Posted by KelVarnson

Stock?! I seriously doubt it! Don't the recent V10's have like 360 HP? No way a stock 7.3 is going to hold a candle to that.

The diesel isn't about horsepower. If I wanted to go between stop lights as fast as possible, I'd have gotten a 6.8L (and been able to afford an '05 too!). Granted the 6.0 has 350HP, but we old schooler's are running 235-250HP in our 7.3s (stock). But I do have 525lb-ft of torque on tap at 1600rpm

!!!

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Originally Posted by 2001400ex

I have NEVER seen a stock 7.3 and I doubt there are many stock 7.3s around.

I'm here Huckleberry! If anyone's ever in SoCal and wants to teach an old guy in a stock 7.3 a lesson, give me a call. Then you can go home and brag about how you whooped up on a 6-year-old 7700lb truck with 250HP. Your friends will be so impressed!

Oct 16, 2009 | 12:52 PM

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KelVarnson

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Originally Posted by 2001400ex

I have NEVER seen a stock 7.3 and I doubt there are many stock 7.3s around.

I have one sitting in my driveway. I love it, but it is a dog. I have NO DOUBT that a 2008 V10 would smoke it, racing OR towing.

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Originally Posted by 2001400ex

So every 7.3 I have seen has a programmer and an exhaust which are minimal upgrades, around $500.

$500 for an exhaust, a programmer, and gauges? I gotta start shopping where YOU shop!

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Originally Posted by brian42

But I do have 525lb-ft of torque on tap at 1600rpm

!!!

That's a whole 160 HP. Hope you don't mind slowing down for hills. You'll actually get better performance beyond that torque peak, at the HP peak. It still won't hang with a new V10.

Oct 16, 2009 | 02:46 PM

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Brooksd1991

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Originally Posted by HuntsDucks70

do you even own a superduty or heavy duty??

how many of your cousins can you fit in yur single cab 1984 150? Buy a new truck already, put some money back into the USA.

I do happen to own a heavy duty a 2004 dodge 2500 4 door all black 4x4 auto and the reason its not on my avatar picture. Because this is a ford forum

Oct 16, 2009 | 03:21 PM

#2355

brian42

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Originally Posted by KelVarnson

That's a whole 160 HP. Hope you don't mind slowing down for hills. You'll actually get better performance beyond that torque peak, at the HP peak. It still won't hang with a new V10.

Actually, I find that 1800rpm is the sweet spot between power and economy. Unless I'm towing or it's as steep as Mount Everest, my truck stays in OD with the cruise control. The only drawback is that it's at just under 65mph, but I do pull down around 19mpg doing that. I usually go a little faster, though.

I don't even know if I could hang with an old V-10

, but then again, it's not my race vehicle

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