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Old Jun 17, 2004 | 01:24 AM
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Diesel is the definite wave of the future, they are getting cleaner and more efficient everyday, when gas is about as low-pollution as possible already.
 
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Old Jun 17, 2004 | 01:27 AM
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HERE is one source.

Even with aggressive research, the hydrogen fuel-cell vehicle will not be better than the diesel hybrid (a vehicle powered by a conventional engine supplemented by an electric motor) in terms of total energy use and greenhouse gas emissions by 2020, says a study recently released by the Laboratory for Energy and the Environment (LFEE).

And while hybrid vehicles are already appearing on the roads, adoption of the hydrogen-based vehicle will require major infrastructure changes to make compressed hydrogen available. If we need to curb greenhouse gases within the next 20 years, improving mainstream gasoline and diesel engines and transmissions and expanding the use of hybrids is the way to go.

These results come from a systematic and comprehensive assessment of a variety of engine and fuel technologies as they are likely to be in 2020 with intense research but no real "breakthroughs." The assessment was led by Malcolm A. Weiss, LFEE senior research staff member, and John B. Heywood, the Sun Jae Professor of Mechanical Engineering and director of MIT's Laboratory for 21st-Century Energy.

Release of the study comes just a month after the Bush administration announced a billion-dollar initiative to develop commercially viable hydrogen fuel cells and a year after establishment of the government-industry program to develop the hydrogen fuel-cell-powered "FreedomCar."

The new assessment is an extension of a study done in 2000, which likewise concluded that the much-touted hydrogen fuel cell was not a clear winner. This time, the MIT researchers used optimistic fuel-cell performance assumptions cited by some fuel-cell advocates, and the conclusion remained the same.

The hydrogen fuel-cell vehicle has low emissions and energy use on the road--but converting a hydrocarbon fuel such as natural gas or gasoline into hydrogen to fuel this vehicle uses substantial energy and emits greenhouse gases.

"Ignoring the emissions and energy use involved in making and delivering the fuel and manufacturing the vehicle gives a misleading impression," said Weiss.

However, the researchers do not recommend stopping work on the hydrogen fuel cell. "If auto systems with significantly lower greenhouse gas emissions are required in, say, 30 to 50 years, hydrogen is the only major fuel option identified to date," said Heywood. The hydrogen must, of course, be produced without making greenhouse gas emissions, hence from a non-carbon source such as solar energy or from conventional fuels while sequestering the carbon emissions.

The assessment highlights the advantages of the hybrid, a highly efficient approach that combines an engine (or a fuel cell) with a battery and an electric motor. Continuing to work on today's gasoline engine and its fuel will bring major improvements by 2020, cutting energy use and emissions by a third compared to today's vehicles. But aggressive research on a hybrid with a diesel engine could yield a 2020 vehicle that is twice as efficient and half as polluting as that "evolved" technology, and future gasoline engine hybrids will not be far behind, the study says.

Other researchers on the study were Andreas Schafer, principal research engineer in the Center for Technology, Policy and Industrial Development, and Vinod K. Natarajan (S.M. 2002). The new report and the original "On the Road in 2020" study from 2000 are available at under "Reports."


A version of this article appeared in the March 5, 2003 issue of MIT Tech Talk (Volume 47, Number 21).
 
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Old Jun 17, 2004 | 01:27 AM
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you diesel guys kill me
 
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Old Jun 17, 2004 | 01:28 AM
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Actually, you gas guys and your emissions kill me/us!
 
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Old Jun 17, 2004 | 01:31 AM
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that artical was from a year ago. They have hydrogen fuel cells powered by spent uranium. All they have to do is test and prove that it is safe to use. You can imagine people thinking that their cars are nuclear powered.
 
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Old Jun 17, 2004 | 01:33 AM
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Can you imagine the possible dangers of nuclear powered cars? Hydrogen fuel cell technology is far from the end-all-be-all solution and it isn't available right now in an economical form.
 
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Old Jun 17, 2004 | 02:22 AM
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Actually, I think that the eventual future will be electric motors.
 
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Old Jun 17, 2004 | 11:56 AM
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Originally Posted by SuperDutyHaulin
I have to admit, I don't like Dodges at all. However, I would much rather be seen in a Dodge than a chevy. Chevy is at the bottom right now, plain and simple.


You have to laugh at dodge though, putting that pitiful excuse of an engine they call a "hemi" in a 2500/3500. I mean these trucks are supposed to be the big boys
Boy this turned into a nasty little thread.. But i did have to counter this point. about Chevy/GM being on the bottom. Let see here Gm #3, Chevy #4, and Ford #16. Not even in the top ten....

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Old Jun 17, 2004 | 12:06 PM
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Here how they rank in my book.

Ford is #1. And I'm not biased towards Ford. In my younger days I was a die hard Small Block Chevy fan. This is my opinion based on my experience.
Chevy Trucks are IMO, kinda like a Caddilac of trucks. They look great and seem to be more luxurious. But I don't believe they can stand up to work like a Ford. Especially in the transmission. I've known several people who have used Chevy trucks for heavy trailer towing, that have had EXPENSIVE tranny problems. And overall, a Chevy that's been used as a work truck will look like hell and fall apart long before a Ford. If I wanted a truck just to look sharp in and occasionally haul a light load, then Chevy is OK.
I've never owned a Dodge, but that's because IMO they seem to build "cheap trucks". Dodges rattle and just don't seem to stand up as long. But I can't really speak from experiece here. I have however noticed that I seem to see ALOT of newer used Dodge pickups for sale. Trucks that look brand new. Makes me wonder why these folks are unloading them.
 
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Old Jun 17, 2004 | 12:14 PM
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Hey Dmax-HD this is a nice link here. I enjoy the comments of the people owning these trucks. It gives you an insight into them. Thanks for the link there. E mail me if you have any other things I might be interested in.
 
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Old Jun 17, 2004 | 12:15 PM
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Your either biased or don't know the facts - go look on this forum at the 6.0 section if you wanna see problems. Haven't heard of any issue with the Allison tranny - where did you get the info from?
 
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Old Jun 17, 2004 | 03:27 PM
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Originally Posted by FordLariat
Actually, I think that the eventual future will be electric motors.
You have to get the electricity from somewhere. Hey, I would love a Diesel electric pickup truck. Call it a mini Locomotive.
 
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Old Jun 17, 2004 | 03:36 PM
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Dmax-Hd: Are you reffering to my post?
Bear in mind that I am not talking about diesel trucks (if that makes any difference). Just my own observations. I live in rural Okla., where pickups are commonly used as work trucks. Plus we have a camper and go camping alot. The general consensus around here is that Chevy trannies will NOT hold up to heavy towing. And I know several people who have found that out the hard way.
 
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Old Jun 17, 2004 | 04:51 PM
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Boy this turned into a nasty little thread.. But i did have to counter this point. about Chevy/GM being on the bottom. Let see here Gm #3, Chevy #4, and Ford #16. Not even in the top ten....

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that was the order of how they were listed....dumb
 
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Old Jun 17, 2004 | 04:54 PM
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not the sales...what a joke? Did you know how over rated Chevy/GMC is. Man they are over rated and far from what they say it suited out to be. Man, that's a bunch of nonsense....chevys...will always be chevy over rated crap
 
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