Chevy vs. Ford ??? or....
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[QUOTE=DMAX-HD][QUOTE=thomadm] Dodge has to get its engines from another maker becasue they are too stupid to make it themselves.
I used to work at an auto auction and I often had to drive a 3 car hauler (2 on top and 1 behind on a stinger). It had an International Harvester diesel and was made in Kentucky I believe. Even had a sticker in the window proudly proclaiming it. It looked like one of those stair trucks at the airport.
It had to be the toughest truck I ever drove. Simple, strong and reliable. As easy to drive as a car.
Ford gets some of its engines from another maker also. A lil know company called Navistar International
It had to be the toughest truck I ever drove. Simple, strong and reliable. As easy to drive as a car.
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That was a long and interesting thread. 
I used to work for Ford for more than 10yrs. Currently I'm working at Chevrolet Dealer.
I'm heavy duty Tech. I do all diesel, trans and drivability concern.
I have to say few things::
Ford Powerstroke diesel have more power than GM Duramax diesel. You have to drive each truck and compare the "seat of the pants" feeling. There's no way that duramax diesel makes more power than powerstroke. Regradless what the statistician said.
On other hand GM 4L80E and Alison transmission are way better than Ford E4OD / 4R100.
They last awfully longer than Ford transmission. Maybe this is why Ford is joining with GM to create better diesel transmission.
just my 2 cent!
I used to work for Ford for more than 10yrs. Currently I'm working at Chevrolet Dealer.
I'm heavy duty Tech. I do all diesel, trans and drivability concern.
I have to say few things::
Ford Powerstroke diesel have more power than GM Duramax diesel. You have to drive each truck and compare the "seat of the pants" feeling. There's no way that duramax diesel makes more power than powerstroke. Regradless what the statistician said.
On other hand GM 4L80E and Alison transmission are way better than Ford E4OD / 4R100.
They last awfully longer than Ford transmission. Maybe this is why Ford is joining with GM to create better diesel transmission.
just my 2 cent!
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Originally Posted by 150ford
How about the torqueshift in the ford are you familiar with that? Is that what you are talking about.?
The parts are not interchangable but if you compare side by side the 5R100 do look like 4R100 trans.
to answer your question.
No, I'm only referring to E4OD and 4R100 transmission.
5R100 trans are supposely better than previous trans but I've seen problems already.
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Originally Posted by KwikFord
That's 5R100 trans. it is update of E40D and 4R100 transmission. 5R100 is slightly bigger than 4R100.
The parts are not interchangable but if you compare side by side the 5R100 do look like 4R100 trans.
to answer your question.
No, I'm only referring to E4OD and 4R100 transmission.
5R100 trans are supposely better than previous trans but I've seen problems already.
The parts are not interchangable but if you compare side by side the 5R100 do look like 4R100 trans.
to answer your question.
No, I'm only referring to E4OD and 4R100 transmission.
5R100 trans are supposely better than previous trans but I've seen problems already.
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Originally Posted by Hammy17
They do take eachothers sales but it all gos back to GM, so your right they arent market competitors. If GMC were eliminated Id say that 98% of the potential buyers would go to Chevy. Think of it this way, If somone were looking at trucks and had their heart set on Dodge or Chevy but not Ford, and then a week later Mazda came out with a truck that looks just like the F-150, do you think that that potential buyer is going to be interested in the
Mazda truck and not the Ford?
Mazda truck and not the Ford?
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People would buy Chevy if there were no Gmc. I have a couple of friends who, at the time, did not like the 2003 chevy body style. They were Chevy guys, they bought GMC. Now, they wish they had bought the Chevy because they have gotten used to the new body style and the 2003 GMC looks old. They bought Gmc, never considered Ford or Dodge.
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Well ga302p if they would have got a Ford they might have fell in love with it. A lot of diehard chevy guys I know got a superduty. ASnd so far there very impressed by them. They switched because there HD Chevys were a nightmare with the problems they were having. Ever since Chevy changed there bodystyle and engine families it seems like there quality dropped in the tank. At the [present time I believe Ford has a much better quality truck than GM. Some of the problems these people have had with there trucks is mind boggling if its not one thing its another. And these trucks arny used that hard. Fuel pumps dying,manifold gaskets out, tailgate cables breaking,knocking engines, high oil consumption. To buy another GM truck when you here about these problems is blind loyalty.Ford has had problems but nothing of the magnitude of this.
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Originally Posted by KwikFord
That's 5R100 trans. it is update of E40D and 4R100 transmission. 5R100 is slightly bigger than 4R100.
The parts are not interchangable but if you compare side by side the 5R100 do look like 4R100 trans.
to answer your question.
No, I'm only referring to E4OD and 4R100 transmission.
5R100 trans are supposely better than previous trans but I've seen problems already.
The parts are not interchangable but if you compare side by side the 5R100 do look like 4R100 trans.
to answer your question.
No, I'm only referring to E4OD and 4R100 transmission.
5R100 trans are supposely better than previous trans but I've seen problems already.
This information is suspect. The 4R100 was an upgrade to the E40D. But the 5R110 (Torqueshift) shares NOTHING in common with these older transmissions. You are either misinformed or feeding us a line.
Maybe you've heard about the Allison having problems with its controlling computers & solenoids??
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Originally Posted by MW95F250
This information is suspect. The 4R100 was an upgrade to the E40D. But the 5R110 (Torqueshift) shares NOTHING in common with these older transmissions. You are either misinformed or feeding us a line.
if you're referring to my typo error on 5R100 trans. I meant 5R110 trans.By the way, have you ever seen 5R110 transmission in person???
5R110 is slightly bigger than 4R100 trans and I also said parts are not interchangable.
Maybe you've heard about the Allison having problems with its controlling computers & solenoids??
Maybe 7 times a year I'll get something that needs to be re-programmed other then that nothing major.
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Originally Posted by KwikFord
what are you talking about? if you're referring to my typo error on 5R100 trans. I meant 5
By the way, have you ever seen 5R110 transmission in person???
5R110 is slightly bigger than 4R100 trans and I also said parts are not interchangable.
That's hearsays. I work for Chevy. I haven't got any issues with Allison trans.
if you're referring to my typo error on 5R100 trans. I meant 5By the way, have you ever seen 5R110 transmission in person???
5R110 is slightly bigger than 4R100 trans and I also said parts are not interchangable.
That's hearsays. I work for Chevy. I haven't got any issues with Allison trans.
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Originally Posted by KwikFord
what are you talking about? if you're referring to my typo error on 5R100 trans. I meant 5R110 trans.
By the way, have you ever seen 5R110 transmission in person???
5R110 is slightly bigger than 4R100 trans and I also said parts are not interchangable.
if you're referring to my typo error on 5R100 trans. I meant 5R110 trans.By the way, have you ever seen 5R110 transmission in person???
5R110 is slightly bigger than 4R100 trans and I also said parts are not interchangable.
This reminded me of the genius who said the E40D was a C6 with o/d--WRONG!
Of course parts are not interchangeable, because there's nothing similar about them, except numbers.
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Originally Posted by Tim Lamkin
What do you do for Chevy
what do Ido...
That's going to be a long list...I'll make it short.
I'm "A" Tech. Mostly I do transmission [ autos and manuals ] and engines. If the Head Shop Foreman is absent, then I'm the shop foreman until he comes back.
For anybody information, this doesn't mean I hate Ford or GM or Mopar. I like almost any kind of vehicle as long it looks good and rides good.
Each domestic vehicle have their own pros and cons. None of them are perfect!
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Originally Posted by MW95F250
This reminded me of the genius who said the E40D was a C6 with o/d--WRONG!
How about this...Look up in Ford Motorsport Catalog. Look into Trans section and find planetary gears for C6 trans and read the description!
I've done that rebuild and swapped E40D planetary gears into C6 trans over hundred times.
it is also same thing with GM 4L80E trans. it is like Turbo 400 with overdrive. their parts are interchangable.
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Originally Posted by KwikFord
what do Ido...
That's going to be a long list...I'll make it short.
I'm "A" Tech. Mostly I do transmission [ autos and manuals ] and engines. If the Head Shop Foreman is absent, then I'm the shop foreman until he comes back.
For anybody information, this doesn't mean I hate Ford or GM or Mopar. I like almost any kind of vehicle as long it looks good and rides good.
Each domestic vehicle have their own pros and cons. None of them are perfect!
That's going to be a long list...I'll make it short.
I'm "A" Tech. Mostly I do transmission [ autos and manuals ] and engines. If the Head Shop Foreman is absent, then I'm the shop foreman until he comes back.
For anybody information, this doesn't mean I hate Ford or GM or Mopar. I like almost any kind of vehicle as long it looks good and rides good.
Each domestic vehicle have their own pros and cons. None of them are perfect!
You bring a unique perspective to discussions....and as long as it is clean and above the board....the more...well the more interesting it will be.