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Old Jun 17, 2004 | 12:47 AM
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Carbon monoxide, sulfur oxide, nitrogen oxide, volatile organics, alkenes, aromatic hydrocarbons, formaldehyde, a form of butadiene and low-molecular weight polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons (PAH) and PAH-derivatives.

What do these compounds have in common?



They are all toxic in one form or another, and they are all constituents of diesel emissions. According to air-pollution experts, diesel emission may be the most toxic air contaminant to which metropolitan residents are routinely exposed.The Union of Concerned Scientists recently said, "Although trucks account for under 6 percent of the miles driven by highway vehicles in the United States, they are responsible for one-quarter of the smog-producing pollution from highway vehicles, over half the soot from highway traffic and the majority of the cancer threat posed by air pollution in some urban areas."This summer, California's Air Resources Board called cancer risk from diesel soot "too deadly for delay" and proposed Draconian rules to begin to address the problem. Aren't our children worth immediate action as well?

-- Bob McConnell



is a professor of environmental science and geology at Mary Washington College.

Think that says it all. Oh yeah Ranch-hand, anytime your in Socal, I would love to make you eat your words.
 
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Old Jun 17, 2004 | 12:51 AM
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Naw My Best Bet Is That You'll Be Eating Your Own Words Then *****ing Them Out. Powerstroke Diesel Baby All The Way
 
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Old Jun 17, 2004 | 12:53 AM
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Both gas engines and diesel engines put out toxins, but the diesel puts them out in particulate form and the gas engine in gaseous form. The diesel, however, puts them out in smaller quantities.

FYI, most of the diesel studies that are quoted by folks like yourself do not pertain to MODERN diesel engines. They were based on old technology and are no longer valid, thus the ultra low emissions rating for the 6.0 PSD.
 
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Old Jun 17, 2004 | 12:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Ranch_Hand
Naw My Best Bet Is That You'll Be Eating Your Own Words Then *****ing Them Out. Powerstroke Diesel Baby All The Way

Do you kiss you mom with that mouth??? probobly, by the hick way you say naw.

All talk , if your within reasonable driving distance, put up or shut up.
 

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Old Jun 17, 2004 | 12:56 AM
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Originally Posted by johnsdiesel
Both gas engines and diesel engines put out toxins, but the diesel puts them out in particulate form and the gas engine in gaseous form. The diesel, however, puts them out in smaller quantities.

FYI, most of the diesel studies that are quoted by folks like yourself do not pertain to MODERN diesel engines. They were based on old technology and are no longer valid, thus the ultra low emissions rating for the 6.0 PSD.

Still will be banned, mark my words. Your ultra low emissions arent even close to a gassers standards. Do some of your own research, dont guess.
 
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Old Jun 17, 2004 | 12:57 AM
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Ill Put Up Then U Can Shut Up And Dont Blah Blah Me I Talk A Big Talk But I Walk The Walk So Just Bring It
 
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Old Jun 17, 2004 | 12:59 AM
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Ok, mabey you are too busy talking where abouts are you. I am guessing southeast, judging by your posts, somewhere like mississippi, or alabama, mabey georgia.
 
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Old Jun 17, 2004 | 12:59 AM
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Im sure that the cummins 600 will be a great motor...Just look at the rest of the cummins, most of them last a really long time....Once again FordLariat im not saying its the most durable....Superdutyhaulin just claimed that the motors in the dodges are junk, not true....I guess he saying now that a V10 is better than the diesels...hahahaha....I pulled with a V10, doesnt compare to any cummins or powerstoke ive pulled with...ya maybe it will run with a trailer on a straight road, but doesnt hold a candle in the hills or especially in a head wind..I have one I know...By the way Superduty haulin look at the resale between a gas and a diesel.....A diesel's resale value is much more and you usually get that 5 thousand back....Should we mention gas milage to, sure beats the hell out of a gas, especially a big gasser...I also think that saying the hemi cant pull its own weight is just stupid...Everbody always says it has no low end torque, ya neither does the 6.0....so i guess that means the 6.0 cant pull its own wieght either...anytime you wanna put that V10 up against my cummins, duramax, or a powerstoke pullin let me know...
I agree that for really heavy duty aplications, diesel is the way to go, but Brandon, saying that the 600 will be a good motor because of all of the other Cummins motors have been good is not a valid way to look at things. Other than the 6.0, has there ever been a bad Powerstroke? Just because the other engines are good doesn't mean that the new ones will be, too. IH and Ford proved that for us when the 6.0 first came out. The only other thing wrong with your post is you said that diesels get better gas mileage, and that's not true. they get better fuel mileage.
 
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Old Jun 17, 2004 | 01:00 AM
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Ultra low emissions has to do with overall pollution, not pollution by engine type. Do your own research. Read THIS article for starters. There's plenty more where that came from including state government agencies and the EPA.

There is already a viable alternative fuel for diesel engines, not for gas engines. It takes 3 units of energy to produce 10 units of biodiesel but it takes more energy to produce alcohol to run in a gas engine than you get in return. Hmmmmm, whose days are numbered???????
 

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Old Jun 17, 2004 | 01:06 AM
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The needs of the many (gassers) outweigh the needs of the few (diesel). actually, if you want to get technical, they will both be obsolete in about 10-15 years.
 
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Old Jun 17, 2004 | 01:13 AM
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There is already enough renewable material available for recycling to produce enough biodiesel to run ALL the diesel engines currently in use in the country. There is no such source for gas engines. The process of making batteries for use in electric cars is very polluting and the cheapest way to produce energy for hydrogen fuel cell technology is also very polluting. Diesel technology is the brightest future we have right now. Most European countries have already realized this and they tend to be a lot more environmentally conscious than die Vereinigten Staaten.
 
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Old Jun 17, 2004 | 01:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Ranch_Hand
Ill Put Up Then U Can Shut Up And Dont Blah Blah Me I Talk A Big Talk But I Walk The Walk So Just Bring It

Ha, your that bad with a 6.0, a banks exhaust, and a predator chip . Definatly bring it on
 
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Old Jun 17, 2004 | 01:20 AM
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Ha, your that bad with a 6.0, a banks exhaust, and a predator chip . Definatly bring it on
Obviously you haven't seen the dynos of the 6.0 PSD with ONLY the predator. It'll leave your V10 behind like a lawn tractor.
 
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Old Jun 17, 2004 | 01:20 AM
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Originally Posted by johnsdiesel
There is already enough renewable material available for recycling to produce enough biodiesel to run ALL the diesel engines currently in use in the country. There is no such source for gas engines. The process of making batteries for use in electric cars is very polluting and the cheapest way to produce energy for hydrogen fuel cell technology is also very polluting. Diesel technology is the brightest future we have right now. Most European countries have already realized this and they tend to be a lot more environmentally conscious than die Vereinigten Staaten.

Where did you get that producing energy for hydrogen fuel cells is very polluting??? In case you would like to know. The hydrogen fuel cells will very likely be powered by spent uranium. You would never have to refuel again.
 
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Old Jun 17, 2004 | 01:22 AM
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Originally Posted by johnsdiesel
Obviously you haven't seen the dynos of the 6.0 PSD with ONLY the predator. It'll leave your V10 behind like a lawn tractor.
have you seen a V-10 with a supercharger? didn't think so. I know there is anohter guy that frequents this forum, ask him if he thinks he would be taken by a 6.0 with the predator. And what in the world does looking at a dino have to do with the real world???
 
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