We have pea***** in France, and didn’t realize that we should ask the state to get agreement from the neighbors first. Fortunately the neighbors are laid back about it and the pea***** are pretty quiet at night, and not too bad during the day either, although we can hear them from over a mile away.

 

Wow the filter actually deleted part of the word in peac0ck$.

 

I could make the same statement about you. Self centered answer that diesel fumes outweigh the health issue as does noise pollution. Pray you don't have barking dogs and a vehicle with loud exhaust parked next to your house.

 

With the time change, it was dark when I got home after I went to vote at the town hall that's right down the road from me. An older F series, looked to be a late model 7.3 or 6.0 truck, shot up the hill that my home street is off just in front of me... It was jacked up, with small wheels and tires, and drove like an @$$ hat which means he was probably a young lad. The truck threw off copious amounts of black smoke that I drove through that looked like fog and blocked my vision for brief moments... Black smoke means incomplete combustion which probably means the fool is over fueling and wasting money right from his tail pipe. It's the schitt like this that aggravates me as guys like this make all diesel truck owners look bad. And it stunk like schitt too...

 

A few years back, pre-Covid, I was fueling my deleted 2012 at a station that was the end of a T Intersection with a light. While it was red a RAM pulled up to the light and it was LOUD. Turns out the idiot had a 12" stack behind the RC, so very short exhaust. Well, the pump over was a cop, I asked if he looks into deleted trucks, and he said only if they roll coal and are loud. I pointed to the idiot and said, watch. Sure enough the fool rolled coal. Cop chased him down and busted him. Since mine was quiet, he would not have done anything but the fool rolled coal with a very loud stack. They impounded the truck for multiple violations. Anyone who deletes and rolls coal deserves to have their truck taken away.

 

Absolutely not.
I must say that I removed my EGR system in a 2004 6.0 back in the day but I regret that. Deleting a highly engineered and capable system that returns 1050 fl-lbs or torque all while producing no visible smoke or odor? It's a no-brainer to keep it, AND it's against the law. Someday they will crack down on end-users, for now, it's just the illegal tuners. My advice is to get the Godzilla if you don't want to mess with DPF and DEF. That's what I am doing today!

 

So felt the need here to comment as a buddy of mine just deleted his 16 F350 with 135k miles... Had sensor codes, warranty expired and he does use the truck to pull construction equipment and supplies, so he said it idles too much.

I've always said I'm not against deleting, understand why guys do it but just can't stand the @$$ hats who roll coal on overfueling race tunes...

That said, he bought the flash tuner, 4 tunes (stock, light tow, heavy tow and performance), EGR bypass kit and exhaust with the optional muffler.

He took me for a ride and let me tell you, in the heavy tow tune, the truck IMO did not smoke visibly and was barely louder than my stock truck. The tips were darker but not black tinted and had no soot on them when I wiped my finger on the inside.

I've got no desire to delete my truck but down the line, my buddy said his tuner will do four trucks... I was impressed on how stock like sounding his truck was and no coal coming out of the tailpipe. He said he's got zero interest in running the performance tune as that's just money out the tailpipe in unspent fuel and drawing attention to yourself...

 

Why wouldn't you want to delete it?

• Because it's illegal and carries of $5K fine
• You might need the emissions system intact to sell it someday
• Because it pollutes more

 

So what you are stating is that anyone that deletes and rolls coal deserves a 30-80k fine depending on the age of the truck. You would have made a fine Bolshevik or Stasi informant in East Germany. However, I'm sure you've personally led an exemplary and morally superior life. The world is undoubtedly a better place with you in it to self righteously wag your finger at wrong doers. Do you drive in the left lane at the precise speed limit parallel to someone in the right lane to ensure no one can pass and exceed the posted speed limit?

 

That is consistent with my experience with both the 6.4L and the 6.7L. It is hard to make them blow smoke. When towing heavy and pulling hard they will smoke a little and the trailer will have soot on it but visible smoke is rare.

 

The first reason is a concern, yes, given I live in the jacked up state of New York.

Reason two is not a concern because I am not selling the truck and if I perish, my older son would want it... I'm starting to put together a maintenance folder of info for him on what to do.

Also if I did delete, I would keep all emissions equipment for just such an instance. So negative on the option of selling the truck.

Number 3, while you have a point, not every owner of a deleted truck rolls coal or uses a fuel rich race tune.

The problem I have with the agenda of the EPA is that while it does look towards keeping our air and water clean, but it doesn't always work out like that (that's a whole 'nother conversation there), all these gov't clean Air agendas are based off a false narrative: climate change.

And speaking of polluting more, have you ever been behind a modern day DI gasoline powered vehicle on, say a hill, when they step on it? Number 1, there's a light puff of black that exits their exhaust. Just go look at the exhaust tips of a newer vehicle. They are black and they have soot on them that will stick to your finger if you rub your finger on the exhaust tip. Ask me how I know.

Number two, those same numerous vehicles I just mentioned, stink to the high heavens.

So while diesels are targeted by the EPA, modern gas engines are not in regards to particulate matter.


I posted up a thread here on Speed of Air Engine Technologies that have the potential to possibly shake up the world of modern day engine exhaust after treatment technologies.



Go search for those terms and you'll find more info on those pistons.

So while I've always called out the coal rollers, I'm not against responsible owners who delete with stock power tunes or tow tunes that don't smoke out the people behind them nor give us diesel truck owners a black eye.

And if you're going to pull the "pollute more" card, I have to ask: are you against pre-emissions vehicles, both gas and diesel, on the road today?

 

I didn't pull the "pollute more" card. That's a fact and the question was asked "why wouldn't I want to delete?"
Those are the answers.
On the other, unrelated point about SOA lean-burn technology, not sure I believe the claim. It's not like the auto manufacturers haven't spent untold billions making diesels cleaner and more efficient to meet regulatory standards.

 

I think the key response (like just about any topic) is doing anything Responsibly. I doubt few of us want to sit at a stoplight next to some idiot pouring more than smoke than Snoop Dog. Nor do we care to have to roll the windows up as a straight piped Harley goes by. But that doesn't mean that we all need to become Greta Thunberg either. If you are the type to get a new truck every 3-4 years and always want to keep it in warranty, There aren't many advantages to deleting. The Factory setup does just fine and still gives you a powerful and dependable setup. But IMO, there are some good reasons to delete for the peeps who want to keep their truck for 10-15 years as well.
For many, the primary driver isn't necessarily more power (although that is a very nice plus!) I think most do so because the DEF/DPF system is expensive to fix/replace and restricts how you use your vehicle, especially if your driving habits involve a fair amount of short trips or idle time. Regenerating wastes fuel and sometimes requires an unnecessary prolonged drive to complete the process
(do we have data on that environmental impact yet? lol) For that DEF heater you had fixed under warranty the first time....who gets the bill on the next one? For some, watching DEF levels is just another thing to think about. When the DPF reaches the end of its life expectancy or clogs, here comes a bill to face and it wont be small.

So although this topic seems to bring out the extremes of either position, somewhere is the middle is the common sense solution. But if you're going to use your truck as a daily driver and plan on keeping it for more than 5 years, deleting seems to make the most sense.

 

You sound defensive... I'm not being a wise guy by saying what I did... It's a legit question...

But when it comes to emissions on 6.7s, there are more than a few that do have issues that have not been resolved by a dealer that either sell the truck back or just delete because the problems could not be resolved.

Ford's emissions components do function well but they are not perfect and the technology still has to advance...

As to SOA pistons, I'd thought I'd throw it out there because if they are proven to work, it would negate emissions components on modern diesels. OEMs would be hesitant because they are so vested in time and money with the traditional methods of after exhaust methods of meeting federal emissions guidelines. They are looking for CARB certification.

Truthfully, mixing crankcase ventilation gases/oil/etc. with EGR gases into the intake is not the cleanest method as the intake manifold crudes with crap which collects in the intake... but they don't care about engine longevity because they have to sell the latest and greatest diesels to make bank.

But that's why I run a Mishimoto oil catch can... To try to keep my intake cleaner. I'm also open to installing a methanol injection system as I hear they do wonders for emissions and give you a boost in mileage as well another benefit; more power.

I'm not trying to argue with you as I'm not pro-delete nor am I anti-delete... To each their own I say. Time will tell whether I go down that road or not but right now... I'm not having any issues as I get my truck hot enough to keep the emissions happy and functioning...

 

Fair enough, just wanted to make clear I was just answering the question. You can see by my username, we've had a couple of 6.0s and then a 2012 6.7L. Really loved that 6.7 but I got rid of it because of post-combustion treatment systems. They worked great BUT my use case was such that I wasn't towing all the time and some of my trips are just a few miles and in the winter where it gets down in single digits. I was afraid I was going to kill it with the short trips. We are getting close enough to where we can see retiring in a few years and want to get a 5th wheel and I don't want to deal with the diesel exhaust issues so, a week ago, we ordered a '24 7.3L F350 SCREW with 4.30 gear set. Where we live, the Ram guys are ridiculous. Everyone deletes and tunes. They all smoke and are noisy. It also gets a little ridiculous in the campgrounds with the deleted guys, waking you up and extensive idling. So yea, I'm a little jaded towards the question. BadKev. I understand the issue why one would want to delete. The 6.7L is a great motor, but post-treatment headaches are real. I'm just happy FoMoCo gave us a viable heavy-duty gas option. Thanks and safe truckin' to you.