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Old Nov 6, 2023 | 05:19 AM
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my emissions on my 2013 unicorn were very good. In fact that darn thing would not regen at all while towing, which was most of the time. Very good for me.

My current truck is pretty good too with the ability to turn off the auto regen.
 
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Old Nov 6, 2023 | 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Desert Don
The thing with this is that the delete tune is loaded into the ECM that went **** up and the stock tune is loaded into the tuner. No, I am not deleted; but I ask this question of the hypothetical situation. A stock ECM can be installed by a Ford ( Or brand X dealer if one is driving a brand X vehicle) dealer. Yes, it may or may not be an overnight deal, but can be done. With a deleted truck one may be kind of screwed, IDK.
Which is why I am asking. And as far as lightning striking……..that happens too.

EDIT: PS, I am not anti delete. As a matter of fact, I have not seen any empirical concrete evidence that all the EPA crap is actually better for the environment than the old diesels. Maybe they just hide it better. Just like all the electric vehicle BS we see now…….all a bit of “Slight of Hand” magic trick!
If all the greenies of the world would just stop breathing for 30 minutes a day, all excess CO2 emissions would cease!! FACT!
There are two types of "tuners" There are the handheld devices for DIY, and there are send them the ECM to tune type. The first type, if the ECM has to be replaced because the ECM can no longer connect to the tuner, as in FRIED, and gets replaced, its a 50/50 chance the tuner can extract the OEM tune off the ECM provided the numbers match to what the tuner is "locked" to, and you can upload the tuned version. If that doesn't work, the tune can be saved on your PC if it wasn't there in the first place (based on 5* tuning I did years ago, they email you a VIN specific tune you load int the SCT), then the device is sent to the company that made it and they unlock the tuner for a fee, then when you get it back, you start from scratch with the process.

As for the second one, well, you basically pull the ECM that was replaced and send it back. Either way the truck is DOA until the new tune can be installed, OR return it all back to stock.


As for those who think the EPA mandates on Diesel are BS, wait until you have breathing problems then stand around a deleted diesel. Within minutes you will wish you had an oxygen tank with you, or some means to stop from wheezing and coughing. Years ago diesel exhaust had no effect and I liked the smell. Today a whiff of the particulates from it and I am having a hard time breathing. Imagine a 5 YO with asthma standing waiting on the school bus as a deleted truck goes by spewing particulates, that poor kid will be suffering, unable to breath.

Do we like that the EPA mandates these things on our trucks? NO, but once one understands WHY and what the benefits are, it makes perfect sense. Yesterday I was doing some floor work in my barn with my B2410 and by the time I was done I felt like crap from the exhaust because its old school Diesel, and at idle runs cold, spewing particulates. When it is under load it burns hot and not a problem with particulates. My new L4060 runs clean and isn't an issue working around in the barn. It does make a difference.
 
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Old Nov 6, 2023 | 08:41 PM
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My second week as one of the instructors for the police driving course was last week and the first week was two weeks prior to that... Driving into another county over 30 miles one way, climbing the hills that my area offers through farmland kept my emissions hot and working... Had my third regen 496 miles out since the last one yesterday... Normally they are 350 to 400 miles out or so... Probably put at least 1500 miles this past 3 weeks or so...

Like Scott says, modern diesels like to be hot to keep the emissions working the way they should... I'd say the Ford 6.7 emissions function like they should when the engines are worked and get hot.
 
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Old Nov 7, 2023 | 09:18 AM
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Originally Posted by acdii
There are two types of "tuners" There are the handheld devices for DIY, and there are send them the ECM to tune type. The first type, if the ECM has to be replaced because the ECM can no longer connect to the tuner, as in FRIED, and gets replaced, its a 50/50 chance the tuner can extract the OEM tune off the ECM provided the numbers match to what the tuner is "locked" to, and you can upload the tuned version. If that doesn't work, the tune can be saved on your PC if it wasn't there in the first place (based on 5* tuning I did years ago, they email you a VIN specific tune you load int the SCT), then the device is sent to the company that made it and they unlock the tuner for a fee, then when you get it back, you start from scratch with the process.

As for the second one, well, you basically pull the ECM that was replaced and send it back. Either way the truck is DOA until the new tune can be installed, OR return it all back to stock.


As for those who think the EPA mandates on Diesel are BS, wait until you have breathing problems then stand around a deleted diesel. Within minutes you will wish you had an oxygen tank with you, or some means to stop from wheezing and coughing. Years ago diesel exhaust had no effect and I liked the smell. Today a whiff of the particulates from it and I am having a hard time breathing. Imagine a 5 YO with asthma standing waiting on the school bus as a deleted truck goes by spewing particulates, that poor kid will be suffering, unable to breath.

Do we like that the EPA mandates these things on our trucks? NO, but once one understands WHY and what the benefits are, it makes perfect sense. Yesterday I was doing some floor work in my barn with my B2410 and by the time I was done I felt like crap from the exhaust because its old school Diesel, and at idle runs cold, spewing particulates. When it is under load it burns hot and not a problem with particulates. My new L4060 runs clean and isn't an issue working around in the barn. It does make a difference.
Unfortunately deleters only care about themselves and do not think about the consequences of their actions. In my 29 years as a ER volunteer tech I have seen quite a few folks with severe breathing problems triggered by environmental issues, so your 5 YO example is a realistic example. Environmental regulations are written to protect people, if you don't believe that look at the 1948 Donora smog in PA that killed 20 people and caused respiratory problems for thousands of people. If all diesels were deleted as some on this forum would recommend then this would be a regular occurrence, look at China and their severe pollution problems. While they are not perfect they have greatly improved and will continue to improve. While I may not like the problems that they can cause I am glad that they are there so that we can have fairly clean air.
 
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Old Nov 7, 2023 | 10:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Strider250
Unfortunately deleters only care about themselves and do not think about the consequences of their actions. In my 29 years as a ER volunteer tech I have seen quite a few folks with severe breathing problems triggered by environmental issues, so your 5 YO example is a realistic example. Environmental regulations are written to protect people, if you don't believe that look at the 1948 Donora smog in PA that killed 20 people and caused respiratory problems for thousands of people. If all diesels were deleted as some on this forum would recommend then this would be a regular occurrence, look at China and their severe pollution problems. While they are not perfect they have greatly improved and will continue to improve. While I may not like the problems that they can cause I am glad that they are there so that we can have fairly clean air.
I would rather states and cities enforce noise pollution which is far worse threat on my health than diesel fumes.
 
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Old Nov 7, 2023 | 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by tradosaurus
I would rather states and cities enforce noise pollution which is far worse threat on my health than diesel fumes.
Funny you say that as not saying you or any other deleted truck owner here but many of the violators of loud vehicles are deleted truck owners, not just ricers with fart cans on them or any other vehicle with an aftermarket exhaust on them.
 
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Old Nov 7, 2023 | 01:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Overkill2
Funny you say that as not saying you or any other deleted truck owner here but many of the violators of loud vehicles are deleted truck owners, not just ricers with fart cans on them or any other vehicle with an aftermarket exhaust on them.
I can only speak from anecdote evidence, but noise pollution I've experienced is from all sizes of vehicles. Every state has a law prohibiting the removal of the exhaust system of a vehicle but rarely is it enforced.

After I got rid of the environmentally unfriendly DPF system on my truck the diesel performance shop had installed a pro-flo "muffler" but it was still too loud for me (inside the truck).

I installed another muffler upstream of the pro-flo and there is no drone in the cabin at highway speeds.
 
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Old Nov 7, 2023 | 01:14 PM
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Originally Posted by tradosaurus
I can only speak from anecdote evidence, but noise pollution I've experienced is from all sizes of vehicles. Every state has a law prohibiting the removal of the exhaust system of a vehicle but rarely is it enforced.

After I got rid of the environmentally unfriendly DPF system on my truck the diesel performance shop had installed a pro-flo "muffler" but it was still too loud for me (inside the truck).

I installed another muffler upstream of the pro-flo and there is no drone in the cabin at highway speeds.
I agree... 110%.. Noise comes from all vehicles of all types...

Personally, it would drive me crazy having a drone out of a deleted 6.7... I had a welded muffler on a Toyota 2.4 I4 and it droned at highway speeds... Annoying AF. Can't imagine a big engine like a 6.7 droning... No way...
 
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Old Nov 7, 2023 | 01:16 PM
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I would rather states and cities enforce noise pollution which is far worse threat on my health than diesel fumes.
Never taken someone to the morgue because of hearing problems.
 
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Old Nov 7, 2023 | 01:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Strider250
Never taken someone to the morgue because of hearing problems.
Unless the noise pollution has such an affect on your mental health that the higher stress levels from lack of sleep give you a heart attack.
 
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Old Nov 7, 2023 | 01:42 PM
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Unless the noise pollution has such an affect on your mental health that the higher stress levels from lack of sleep give you a heart attack.
No, it is the breathing the exhaust that causes mental deterioration that causes you to come up with a ridiculous response.
 
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Old Nov 7, 2023 | 03:03 PM
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No, it is the breathing the exhaust that causes mental deterioration that causes you to come up with a ridiculous response.
Why is that a ridiculous response? I was subjected to barking dogs for years which took a toll on my mental well being. Deleted trucks exhaust, even in my small town, were not a concern for my breathing.
Noise pollution is the one reason I moved to the country surrounded by 45 acres of trees.
You are surrounded much more by noise pollution than diesel exhaust fumes. And this isn't 1970 anymore as the EPA has severely curbed air pollution from industries.
 
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Old Nov 7, 2023 | 03:23 PM
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Originally Posted by tradosaurus
Why is that a ridiculous response? I was subjected to barking dogs for years which took a toll on my mental well being. Deleted trucks exhaust, even in my small town, were not a concern for my breathing.
Noise pollution is the one reason I moved to the country surrounded by 45 acres of trees.
You are surrounded much more by noise pollution than diesel exhaust fumes. And this isn't 1970 anymore as the EPA has severely curbed air pollution from industries.

See, Right there is the issue. It is a self centered answer. Maybe YOU don't have breathing issues, but hundreds of thousands of others DO! Pinch off your nose and stick 4 wet towels over your face and try to breath. That is what it is like for people with lung issues when breathing in particulates from diesel exhaust. Pray you never get COPD, if you do then maybe you will understand where we and the EPA are coming from.
 
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Old Nov 7, 2023 | 06:57 PM
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drone???? i havent had any. stock tailpipe though. maybe the oem resonator is enough?
 
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Old Nov 7, 2023 | 07:36 PM
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Why is that a ridiculous response? I was subjected to barking dogs for years which took a toll on my mental well being.
There is a house a half mile away that has three large dogs in outdoor cages that seem to bark almost constantly. Can't almost hear them at my house but nightly as I walk past, the dogs are at it. Tonight the owner was outside washing her car and didn't care one bit. The neighbors are outside all the time. I don't know how they stand it.

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