OK…………let’s just say I have deleted the EPA crap on my truck and all is good. Now I take off on a 4000 mile road trip with the 5er in tow. I get about 1500 miles from home and the ECM goes bzzzzt! Now WTF do I do? All you deleters please chime in. Inquiring minds want to know.

 

What about all the questions here about white smoke at the exhaust and the tuning company is out of business or won't support their products. You should also consider possible trade-in loss because dealerships can't sell deleted trucks.

We had a thread recently where the poster needed to remove their ECM, mail it back to the tune company and hope for resolution.

Do what you want to your expensive trucks but the days of deleting seems to have passed.

Bruce

 

I won't tell you what to do but I will share my experience with you. Been a diesel owner and driver for 23 years. 7.3L was wonderful. 2008 6.4L was my first DPF equipped truck. On this board I learned about deleting and tuning. What I read here made a lot more sense than the hurried first attempt to meet government mandated emissions standards cooked up and developed by the EPA and truck builders.. The truck "made oil", lacked power and had several other problems. So, I deleted DIY and added an H&S SOTF tuner. I was 65 at the time and not some speed freak. I drove the truck almost always in setting 1. One thing I knew that a high tune and towing my 17,000 lb 5th wheel would not work. Still, one day I was playing with the tuner and driving in setting 2. I forgot it was set there and a couple days later hooked up for a trip. Towed over Monteagle TN and right before the summit I felt a funny tick. Blew a head gasket. Cost me $5000 to have repaired with some small upgrades. Truck ran great with the tune and I might still have it except it got totaled by a drunk driver. Bought a 2014 6.7L. I must say I had no problems with the truck except for a number of untimely CLEANINGS and DRIVE TO CLEANS but because I think the 2014 technology was only marginally better than the 2008 I deleted and tuned ( Stock power, DPF delete, EGR off). at the end of warranty. the truck has been flawless since then. Absent a small problem with occasional over boost in the VGT I've had no problems at all. No FAILED SENSORS, no LIMP MODE, no failed DEF HEATERS, nothing. If you do decide to tune get a tuner that downloads your stock program, stores it and replaces it with the tuned program. That way you can always go back to stock. Also, no matter what you think the future will bring keep your stock equipment. Laws change and so do people. Good luck with your decision.

 

This still does not answer my question. What if the ECM goes to hades? What does one do in that situation?
If I was geek enough to write my own tunes then things like that would be a non issue (I think)

 

I disagree with the idea that the emissions on the 11 to 16 gen trucks are marginally better than the 6.4s. I have zero experience with the 6.4s other than from what I've read on them... That the emissions on them simply did not work...

From what I've experienced with my own truck, the emissions on my truck do in fact work but there are some conditions that have to be present in order for a daily driven, non loaded 6.7 Powerstroke to function and not throw codes nor have a lot of "Drive to clean" messages.

When i first bought my truck, I knew EXACTLY nothing about the emissions and the conditions required to function when I first bought my truck. I then began to research and then I saw it, emissions do fail so I began to research deletes.

My first iDash was the original 5 inch screen... Not as functional as the new iDash 1.8 versions of now. Since they were being phased out with the 1.8 version, Banks offered me a 1.8 in whatever version I wanted for free. All I had to do was ship back the original.

The point of mentioning the iDash is that I monitor my truck and with that, are when regens pop up. Yea it's a PITA when you have to do a regen when it's sometimes not convenient -- I'll fully admit that... But being here in the state I'm in, and add in the fact that I'm not having any issues with my emissions, I like being stock.

I also saw how the hills and back roads I drive keep the EGTs up and the regen cycles out at a decent rate. Usually 350ish to 400 miles... Driving 35 miles this week and two weeks ago, one way and out of our county for the police academy driving course, I had two regens out at 496 miles...

My point is that modern diesels and their emissions like to be hot which keeps them happy and working. Stop and go driving along with short drives on level roads does not bode well for emissions equipped 6.7s. I have no problem with guys deleting but it's not the end all be all... Deleted guys still have problems that will not always be able to be resolved due to the tuners being in Canada or out of business, or not being able to have the issue dealt with due to the ECM being flashed...

I also use a Fuel borne (or burn ) catalyst for the DPF... Yeah not cheap but being cool driving a modern day diesel truck when I don't need one is not cheap. But I accept it and do what I feel will keep my truck going... YMMV.

 

OK, answering that question was not what I was trying to do. I thought you were asking if you should or should not delete. I was just sharing my experience for whatever it was worth. As to this question: I have never heard of an ECM failing in a 6.7L but I guess it's possible. If it does, what will you do tuned or untuned? I guess it would be the same either way. Tow to Ford and have a new ECM installed. Then in the dealers parking lot take your tuner and download your tune to the truck just like the first time. But then what if lightening hits your truck? What will you do then? I guess the same answer. That was a joke. I would say that if you are that concerned about what might happen you should lean toward NOT TUNING.

 

Hi Overkill. you must be a Banks salesman. You always seem to get Banks stuff into your posts. Which is fine with me. I don't disagree with anything you said. If you sum it up you say you disagree with me but have no experience with the 6.4 to base that on. OK, thats fine, but I do. After that you tell me all the things you do to accomadate the modern diesel technology. Me, I just turn the key and go. See ya.

 

You get triggered very easily Stanley don't you? I'm not a Banks salesman but use it to monitor my truck for the reasons I listed... Funny how I now have 113k miles in a stock truck with zero emissions problems.

We can still disagree with each other and have a conversation. Maybe stop taking things personally so much... Too many folks drive 6.7 trucks like gas trucks, which have no issues with the conditions I described in my prior post...

I really could give two schitts about who deletes and doesn't delete... But let's not think that the emissions on 6.7 Powerstrokes don't work under the right conditions. I personally believe the new 7.3 Godzilla gas engine was developed for the commercial market where trucks sit and idle a lot in fields like oil fields and electrical companies for example...

Have a nice day Stanley.

 

The thing with this is that the delete tune is loaded into the ECM that went **** up and the stock tune is loaded into the tuner. No, I am not deleted; but I ask this question of the hypothetical situation. A stock ECM can be installed by a Ford ( Or brand X dealer if one is driving a brand X vehicle) dealer. Yes, it may or may not be an overnight deal, but can be done. With a deleted truck one may be kind of screwed, IDK.
Which is why I am asking. And as far as lightning striking……..that happens too.

EDIT: PS, I am not anti delete. As a matter of fact, I have not seen any empirical concrete evidence that all the EPA crap is actually better for the environment than the old diesels. Maybe they just hide it better. Just like all the electric vehicle BS we see now…….all a bit of “Slight of Hand” magic trick!
If all the greenies of the world would just stop breathing for 30 minutes a day, all excess CO2 emissions would cease!! FACT!

 

I could save money by putting my household trash in the bed of my truck and letting it blow out along the highway as I drive, but I do not do this. I could save a few dollars by pouring the used motor oil from my vehicles out in the gutter in front of my house. But I do not do this as a responsible individual.

Diesel engines are the dirtiest engines for any motor vehicle and the particulate pollution causes asthma in millions of American men, women, and children. The ER costs alone are more than $19 million a year and that does not include the many millions spent on drugs to try to control asthma.

It really comes down to whether you are a cheat or an honest citizen who cares about other people. If you are going to cheat do it with your taxes like Donald and not by polluting.

 

Or insider trading like the Pelosi’s. Now lets not go down that rabbit hole and get this thread locked down

 

Triggered? I'm 80 and a Vietnam vet.. Not much "triggers" me. I just thought you wanted to discuss the issue.

 

Good point. Computers are not my long suit. I did not think of that. My tune is also on a file in my laptop. I guess I could reload that to the tuner and then the truck but Like I said computers are not my huckleberry and that may not be true. I guess if your described situation happens you would be in a pickle and need a new tune loaded to the tuner and new tunes are getting hard to find. My 08 was totaled 600 miles from home while tuned. I took the tuner with me and left a note about the situation. Never heard anything about it.

 

Let's be honest. I'm familiar with that case. He had a choice, return to stock, case closed. He CHOSE to refuse and was given the order to return to stock or destroy. Off road use was not an option in NJ.

 

[QUOTE=Desert Don;21022987]The thing with this is that the delete tune is loaded into the ECM that went **** up and the stock tune is loaded into the tuner. No, I am not deleted; but I ask this question of the hypothetical situation. A stock ECM can be installed by a Ford ( Or brand X dealer if one is driving a brand X vehicle) dealer. Yes, it may or may not be an overnight deal, but can be done. With a deleted truck one may be kind of screwed, IDK.
Which is why I am asking. And as far as lightning striking……..that happens too.


New tuners arw not like the old style, they just overwrite the ECM. If you have a new one put in you just load your tune and go. Changing an ECM is the same headache deleted or not.