[QUOTE=TheMeatShovel;21023687]So you are saying that when one installs a delete tune, the new tune stays with the tuner even when loaded into the ECM? And the tuner then also keeps the stock tune stored?

 

I may or may not have had deleted trucks for 12 years now. I know a thing or two about them and how to do it yourself. I would strongly recomend deleting to everyone who can. As for those who say you dont see much of a mileage increase, they either dont know what they are talking about or put bigger tires on their trucks then the work was done. That will kill your mileage either way. Mine have always been stock on the tire side as I pull a heavy fifth wheel.

 

[QUOTE=Desert Don;21023694]Yes. That is exactly how it works.

 

[QUOTE=Desert Don;21023694]The tuner does not auto store your stock tune. You would need to have one provided from whomever you got your tunes from.

 

[QUOTE=TheMeatShovel;21023687]I guess the question is what is on the tuner AFTER THE FILE IS LOADED TO THE TRUCK? IDK. I have an SCT X4. I load the tune from my computer to the X4, then I go to the truck and load the trucks file to the X4. Then I load the modified tune from the X4 to the truck. I guess the answer to Desert Don’s question depends on whether the tune is TRANSFERRED to the truck or COPIED. Me, IDK. I do know the file is still on my laptop.

 

One issue I have now with all the EPA having their nose up everyones ****……who writes the tunes. Do they really KNOW what they are doing? Or not?
The other issue I have is that guy Murphy kind of likes to follow me around. You know, Murphy’ Law! If I have trouble someplace, who the hell do I contact to straighten things out?

 

I gues to put it in a nutshell; if I can’t fix it myself I need to know who the hell can and where I can find them.
I am like you Stanley, old. I spent my whole life working with diesel engines. On the farm/ranch, 20 years drilling oil wells, 24 years for an oil field trucking company, fill in a few gaps running construction equipment in the slow times Most of the time was able to keep things running myself. With these new computerized engines…..not so much.

 

Don, IDK the answers to your questions but I do know that if you have all those concerns you won't be at peace with your truck if you do a delete. There are a couple dozen ways I can think of that a tuned truck can put you in stuff from ankle deep to neck deep. lol

 

I feel ya (as the kids say). I’ve had my truck 10 years now. Drove the first 5 stock. I had no problems and was happy with the truck’s performance. I deleted when I decided this would be my last truck and if you want to see ugly look inside the EGR or intake. I have always done all but the most complex wrenching in my shop but now at 80 I no longer have the enthusiasm for that work. If I was to get a new truck I would likely leave it stock and carry a few of those DPF sensors with me. I still think the technology sucks but I’m getting too old to fight city hall.

 

Well, that is where I am; just leave things alone. I am definitely not like some of these guy and worry about every little detail. I.E. every regen, EGT’s, and what ever else may be. I know enough about these modern systems that the ECM monitors these things closer than I can and just drive and not worry. With it being 40 miles to the nearest shopping it makes for a good warm up trip whenever I go to town so a few short trips here local, like 7 or 8 miles once in a while to a friends house or 5 miles round trip to get mail once in a while is no worry.
Just do routine maintenance as needed and go.
As I previously stated, I am definitely not anti delete, but choose not to do it myself. I don’t like the dipchits that want to roll coal, pure stupidity.
But I think about when Detroit Diesel first came out with the series 60 with DDEC in the late 80’s, at the most one might see a very faint puff of smoke under certain conditions. No one has convinced me that all the garbage they hang on these new diesels are actually any better than that.
And they were about as trouble free as one could get.

 

I did discuss the issue... That I disagree with you on your statement that 6.7 emissions do not work. Like all things mechanical, there are exceptions to every rule and with that said, engines and components, including emissions components, do fail, especially when a 6.7 owner drives their truck like they would their wife's gas grocery getter, that is, not concerned about modern diesel emissions functioning properly.

You stated that you thought the 6.7 Powerstroke emissions are "marginally" better than the 6.4s. And I also stated that while I do not have experience with the 6.4, I also stated by reading and looking into 6.4s, that their emissions DID NOT work well. Having said that, it would seem I agree you with on the 6.4.

Maybe the "triggered" term wasn't proper... Maybe I should have used "defensive..." Because you got defensive...

Thank you for your service but for you to act like you didn't come at me, well... That's fine... And besides, this discussion is about the 6.7. You brought up the 6.4. And I agreed with you.

Once again, Stan, have a great day.

 

[QUOTE=TheMeatShovel;21023687]So you mean that these "new" outlaw tuners, and I call them outlaw because obviously delete tuning has gone underground or from Canada, will NOT give you an option to download the stock OEM tune from the truck into said flash tuner like the old tuners before the times of the EPA going on a rampage?

 

[QUOTE=Overkill2;21023860]The ones I am familiar with absolutely give you that option but have heard of others that don't unless you ask for it. I'm not going to get into specifics in an open forum for obvious reasons. Before I bought tunes from someone, delete or emissions on I would make sure that a return to stock tune is included. I have never had issues with customer service or getting questions answered.

 

[QUOTE=TheMeatShovel;21023871]Thanks for responding and yes, understood... I was looking at just getting the question of flash tuners from back when that when I was looking into deleting myself, that I remember would ask and allow for the factory tune to be loaded onto the tuner from the truck.

Thanks...

 

loud 6.7 noises and 24mpg on the highway!