2019 6.7 question
To delet or not delete?
Pros? Cons?
Its my forever truck so not worried about resale
My area does not require testing

 

Personally and this is my opinion. I have kept mine stock and have had a couple issues DEF heater like everybody Fixed it myself. Other than that nothing else. As a mattewr of fact the replacement Motorcraft was better than the original p[art. Go figure. Old adage if it ain't broke don't fix it. You can buy a lot of DEF for how much it cost to delete and not to mention how much work it is.

 

I personally would not. Modern diesels are engineered with the emission systems in mind. Things have come a long way in 20 years. Back in the early days of the 6.0, many were deleting (myself included). It was learned that deleting was causing issues down the line. Plus a huge risk you run is that if you delete and have an issue a few years down the road, is the tuner still going to be around? You may have to spend big bucks to put it back to stock.

 

If you can why not, you don’t have to worry about the re-gens, def, dpf. It wil do want a diesel is supposed to do.

 

I would at least buy the tuner while you can, doesn't hurt to leave it on the shelf while you contemplate it.
That's a popular truck and a sought after item would be easy to sell if you decide to go another route.

 

You will get a lot of comments telling you to delete and most of these folks are not diesel experts. I suggest that you contact an established diesel expert like Arod at powerstroketechtalkwarod@gmail.com. Your problem can be fixed by a competent diesel shop and Arod may be able to either help you directly or refer you to someone closer to you. Deleting is not cheap and the problems are many.

 

Have you ever deleted a truck, what issues did you have?

 

I rarely ever hear of a modern diesel engine having a failure. What I do hear all the time is DEF heater failures, DEF injector failures, EGR system failures, DPF failures, regen doesn't work correctly, truck is in limp mode because of emissions, CCV box is clogged, etc.etc.etc. Seems pretty obvious to me that with no emissions equipment these engines would last forever and would save fuel (good for the environment) also.

Remember the countless stories of million-mile Cummins engines in Ram trucks from before 2007? Wonder why that doesn't happen anymore like it used to? Hmm.....

 

Be prepared to spend a good $2K or more to have a competent diesel shop to perform the delete.
Also check your state laws. Can you get the truck inspected without smog testing?
Your mpg will not increase much if any but you will have a peace of mind that your DPF and DEF system won't cause you any issues.

 

Go to Canada, you can delete all you want up there, but forget about finding a shop in the states that will do it, and if they do, it is under the table so don't expect much in support when it fails, and if you ever have to have a recall done and bring it in for anything other then the recall, they will do the recall and you will be screwed. Also don't PO anyone by blowing smoke or letting the fumes get somewhere that they will complain, because the EPA makes it really easy to report someone, and you don't want THEM visiting. IOW Delete at your own risk, it's not as easy as 10 years ago and there are far more cons against it than pros today.

 

Because it's expensive, illegal and not as easy to have done as it was 5 years ago. If the truck has any issues that can't be resolved DIY, a dealer will not work on said deleted truck. The PCM and TCM cannot be updated in the event of any recalls or updates. Dealers will not except a deleted truck as a trade. The ECU has to be sent to Canada to have the tune installed, a deleted truck stinks.........the list goes on and on.

I have 85k on my stock 6.7 and the only issue I have had is a failed DEF heater which Ford issued a recall for. I replaced the DEF heater myself in about an hour and a half for just under $300. My truck sees 24% idle time and I have not had any issues with the EGR clogging, that problem was fixed back in 2015 when Ford rerouted the EGR cooling.

There are numerous posts here in the 6.7 forum from people who have a deleted truck and the truck is throwing codes. No one but the person that tuned those trucks can help them so they are SOL.

 

I would definitely not recommend deleting and installing tunes before the warranty expires. The reasoning behind the DPF/DEF "laws" are bogus so I'm not worried about the illegal aspect of it. Climatologists put more pollutants in the air flying to climate conferences than my truck and tractor could ever put out in a lifetime.

My truck has been deleted for 5 yrs now and so far so good.

 

Get the contact info for all the folks who say delete so you can reach out to have them bail you out of problems….just in case dealer reflashes, etc

 

I agree with that statement however the fines and consequences if caught tampering with emissions can be big. This may not be an acceptable risk for everyone. And before you reply with my state doesn't check/test for missing emissions components etc., who is say they won't start at some time in the future? Look what happened to this cummins owner

 

Got to obey the overlords!