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Old Feb 12, 2021 | 04:35 PM
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Boy the turbo is almost new to.
 
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Old Feb 12, 2021 | 05:45 PM
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Damn, seems like a defect. Any scoring in the castings?
 
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Old Feb 12, 2021 | 06:59 PM
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Old Feb 12, 2021 | 07:08 PM
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Originally Posted by FordTruckNoob
This happened today.
https://youtu.be/rCq-_mxJkVk

Damn Leonard. First Tristan now the truck... So what is your plan? Warranty?
 
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Old Feb 13, 2021 | 06:42 AM
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Originally Posted by AllaboutMPG
Well Crap. Were you running it hard?
No harder than I had been before. Maybe the prior runs helped build to this though.

Originally Posted by Sous
Leonard and I have been chatting about this failure via text and needless to say I am heartbroken for him. I know how much effort, work, blood, sweat and tears he put into this build. Having cutting edge technology and high performance parts does not always work out like we want it to without a few stumbles and stubbed toes.

Sorry to see this brother...
Originally Posted by RacinJasonWV


Darn it
Thanks guys. I'm gutted for many reasons besides the failure itself.

Originally Posted by Bonanza35
Boy the turbo is almost new to.
Originally Posted by brokestroke
Damn, seems like a defect. Any scoring in the castings?
I don't know yet. I will be removing it from the truck for a close inspection today.

Hmm, were you kidding or serious? That kit has only one review, and it's really bad.

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Damn Leonard. First Tristan now the truck... So what is your plan? Warranty?
Yup, I'm going to see if I can get it warrantied first. In a way, this has helped me take my mind off Tristan. It's not a good way, but it's a way.
 
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Old Feb 13, 2021 | 07:09 AM
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Old Feb 13, 2021 | 07:50 AM
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Nice find Dan, that is a good option if the warranty process does not go as planned.

Although, I would try to (and I am sure he is) get to the bottom of why the failure happened in the first place. He has 205/80 injectors, hot and mild tunes, Turbonator, Tapercore IC, 366 super core, built motor from Swamps, etc...

I am grateful that the engine appears to be find and despite the catastrophic failure of the turbo, something is NOT right with the setup. Maybe the turbo is undersized for his other high end and max power parts, I don't know. The 366 SXE is said to be rated for 700+ HP, but I know these turbos are used in a vast amount of applications. I don't know what happened and we may never know, but I am hopeful that the turbine, vanes and Turbonator are OK and that Leonard can get to the bottom of this in short order.

As I said earlier, cutting edge parts and technology does not always work out the 1st time, as a matter of fact, there are usually many failures before success can be shouted down the hall.

Sorry again Leonard, I would like to offer some help, but due to distance, all I can do is look at pictures, videos and offer some advice.
 
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Old Feb 13, 2021 | 08:45 AM
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That sucks. I was so looking forward to checking out your awesome ride.
 
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Old Feb 13, 2021 | 09:59 AM
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I've always understood that drive pressure is what kills turbos, vgt being added to a charger not designed for it has to put stress on the shaft.
 
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Old Feb 13, 2021 | 10:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Sous
Nice find Dan, that is a good option if the warranty process does not go as planned.

Although, I would try to (and I am sure he is) get to the bottom of why the failure happened in the first place. He has 205/80 injectors, hot and mild tunes, Turbonator, Tapercore IC, 366 super core, built motor from Swamps, etc...

I am grateful that the engine appears to be find and despite the catastrophic failure of the turbo, something is NOT right with the setup. Maybe the turbo is undersized for his other high end and max power parts, I don't know. The 366 SXE is said to be rated for 700+ HP, but I know these turbos are used in a vast amount of applications. I don't know what happened and we may never know, but I am hopeful that the turbine, vanes and Turbonator are OK and that Leonard can get to the bottom of this in short order.

As I said earlier, cutting edge parts and technology does not always work out the 1st time, as a matter of fact, there are usually many failures before success can be shouted down the hall.

Sorry again Leonard, I would like to offer some help, but due to distance, all I can do is look at pictures, videos and offer some advice.
This is just speculation, it almost looks as if the turbine shaft itself broke in half.
 
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Old Feb 13, 2021 | 10:21 AM
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Originally Posted by brokestroke
This is just speculation, it almost looks as if the turbine shaft itself broke in half.
I agree with that speculation based on what we know...

I told Leonard this morning that "perhaps this 366 failure is a blessing in disguise and that we are hoping for the best possible outcome".
 
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Old Feb 13, 2021 | 11:03 AM
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Originally Posted by lpzd
I've always understood that drive pressure is what kills turbos, vgt being added to a charger not designed for it has to put stress on the shaft.
The Noob has been keeping a good watch on the EBP. It seems this shouldn’t be the cause but

What if the VGT is causing the shaft to accelerate too quickly making extra stress?
This is the only theory I can come up with.
 
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Old Feb 13, 2021 | 11:33 AM
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EBP is measured in the manifold, actual drive pressure here is force placed on the turbine that is what causes shaft failure.
 
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Old Feb 13, 2021 | 01:19 PM
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Originally Posted by brokestroke
This is just speculation, it almost looks as if the turbine shaft itself broke in half.
Based on the play....I think you are correct.
 
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Old Feb 13, 2021 | 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by lpzd
I've always understood that drive pressure is what kills turbos, vgt being added to a charger not designed for it has to put stress on the shaft.
Originally Posted by brokestroke
This is just speculation, it almost looks as if the turbine shaft itself broke in half.
Originally Posted by RacinJasonWV
The Noob has been keeping a good watch on the EBP. It seems this shouldn’t be the cause but

What if the VGT is causing the shaft to accelerate too quickly making extra stress?
This is the only theory I can come up with.
Originally Posted by lpzd
EBP is measured in the manifold, actual drive pressure here is force placed on the turbine that is what causes shaft failure.
You guys are exactly right that the shaft broke. I discuss why I think it broke a little further down.

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Excellent find Dan, thanks. This may be the route I go if BW doesn't warranty the Supercore.

Originally Posted by Sous
Nice find Dan, that is a good option if the warranty process does not go as planned.

Although, I would try to (and I am sure he is) get to the bottom of why the failure happened in the first place. He has 205/80 injectors, hot and mild tunes, Turbonator, Tapercore IC, 366 super core, built motor from Swamps, etc...

I am grateful that the engine appears to be find and despite the catastrophic failure of the turbo, something is NOT right with the setup. Maybe the turbo is undersized for his other high end and max power parts, I don't know. The 366 SXE is said to be rated for 700+ HP, but I know these turbos are used in a vast amount of applications. I don't know what happened and we may never know, but I am hopeful that the turbine, vanes and Turbonator are OK and that Leonard can get to the bottom of this in short order.

As I said earlier, cutting edge parts and technology does not always work out the 1st time, as a matter of fact, there are usually many failures before success can be shouted down the hall.

Sorry again Leonard, I would like to offer some help, but due to distance, all I can do is look at pictures, videos and offer some advice.
Originally Posted by Sous
I agree with that speculation based on what we know...

I told Leonard this morning that "perhaps this 366 failure is a blessing in disguise and that we are hoping for the best possible outcome".
Don't discount moral support. It helps more than you know. I have one possible cause for the shaft breakage and that is that I have noticed what sounds like surge if I'm boosting and I get off the go pedal abruptly, like when a lady in a BMW SUV (Dan, this is the BMW I was telling you about) cuts into my lane in front of me without looking. If that is the case, a blow off valve may be in order. Either that or get a turbo that doesn't have to spin so hard to make the boost.

And now for your viewing pleasure, pictures of carnage.

Valley is dry. Pedestal quad rings are holding up.


No aluminum shavings in the compressor outlet which is good.


First view of turbine outlet after DP removal.


In case you're wondering, yes there is supposed to be a turbine there.


Oh, that's where the turbine is.


At least it popped out of the Turbonator easily.

 
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