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Sous I’m confused. The information you shared gives a tie in between original hex code and strategy. But it does not show cross compatibility. The Hydra and FU burner will give a “recommended” strategy based on the hex code. These do not match up with the original strategy. Various strategies will work with a hex code.
Good catch about the transmission tuning
FTN, does Brian recommend special trans tuning for his transmissions? I thought his were fine to run with “normal” settings.
Sous I’m confused. The information you shared gives a tie in between original hex code and strategy. But it does not show cross compatibility. The Hydra and FU burner will give a “recommended” strategy based on the hex code. These do not match up with the original strategy. Various strategies will work with a hex code.
Your right, the spreadsheet does not show cross compatibility and is a draft document as it stands. I was attempting to help identify additional Box or Hex codes for use while looking up information in the Titan Unlock interface in relation to the known Box and Hex codes.
Originally Posted by bsiliani what are your egt's at max boost set and rpm's at 3500 ? I can't really see gauge , but it looks like past 1200. I'm just curious as a comparison to what I'm getting. Do you feel you experience turbo lag a little when hammering the pedal? What is your max APP when hammering it ? I'll give you my data I got so far as a comparison. I'm not sure how to do all that fancy video stuff, but perhaps someone going to the N.GA. Meetup can help me post a few runs. I know for sure my egt and boost are way lower that what i expected on my setup. I've been recording some runs lately and I'm still trying to figure out the data enough to be useful to others. No, I do not feel any lag but that's because of the VGT/VNT I suspect. I did not log the APP PID but I've got my foot down as far as it will go. EDIT: Oops, just realized I failed to answer your first question. In the Economy tune, EGT tops out at 1,200. In the Performance tune, it just keeps climbing the longer I keep my foot in it. I think it's because of the controller limited boost. I am slowly working my way up to the point where boost is limited by fueling and not the VGT/VNT controller.
Your fueling may be limited more by the size of your injectors.and your custom tuning. As for my setup,
I'm seeing all the power I need (m/t-no load) at 22boost and under 3400 ram. Egt is not a factor at all.
Curious if you limited boost lower, used a 65hp performance tune and 75% throttle if you would get any better results. Do you have numbers on tcc slip? or pw during heavy ipr dc? Could you be experiencing alot of tc slippage when demanding higher ipr DC?
Curious what ipr % is when demanding high boost. Or it could be all in the tuning.
If your going to GTG in 2 weeks I can bring my Spare Hydra, dial,, and cables for testing or if your running DP tunes,, we could pull my chip and try it out in your truck. However I run SXE369 And 238/100.
That way you could get max fueling on your setup and see if that helps. Your egt's are a flag but you know that already.
Your right, the spreadsheet does not show cross compatibility and is a draft document as it stands. I was attempting to help identify additional Box or Hex codes for use while looking up information in the Titan Unlock interface in relation to the known Box and Hex codes.
Sorry. The purpose flew right over my head. I see what you were doing now.
The chart you guys are building is an interesting project. I love charts and excel. Look forward to seeing the finished product.
Sorry for going radio silent yesterday guys. Ihad to put a dying cat to sleep.
Originally Posted by SkySkiJason
This is what I expect from decent tuning. With that injector/turbo setup, EGT should never be an issue for FTN.
I had ****ty tunes once. EGT’s were a problem for me too.
Based on my interactions with Jody, I believe his philosophy is that the hardware isn't keeping up with the tune that is the reason for high EGTs. He is right to a certain extent. The higher I set the boost limit, the lower the EGTs get. I have yet to reach the fueling boost limit in the hotter tune. My daily Economy tune tops out at 42psi and 1200 EGT.
Originally Posted by lpzd
Entering Nvk4 , php prompted me to use vnaaas3 no tunes for that came up in modified injector tunes, not sure if there is a different strategy that would work instead.
Originally Posted by Bonanza35
Wonder if Cody is on here, he would know. I believe he worked for PHP at one point. I think it is DP tunes also. What was your boost? i didn't see that gauge.
Originally Posted by RacinJasonWV
That’s strange. Dad’s is NVK5 and when I did his burn years ago with the PHP FU burner it recommended VRAA6S3, same as my PMT2.
So just now I checked in the Hydraflash software and see both NVK4&5 call for VRAAAS3. I’m thinking the VRAA6S3 would also work. I’m almost certain this is the strategy I used on his NVK5 truck.
Originally Posted by lpzd
I'll hook it back up using that strategy
Originally Posted by Sous
The information below is from a "draft" spreadsheet that I and a couple of other FTE'rs are working on in creating a thread. So, it may not be 100% accurate, but should be pretty close. In addition, I don't think the PHP Titan Unlock allows for modified automatic transmissions and FTN has a BTS 4R100.
This is what I have listed as possible Hex Codes for the NVKX Box Code.
This is what I have for the VNAAAS3 Hex Code.
This is what I have for the VNAA6S3 Hex Code.
Originally Posted by RacinJasonWV
Sous I’m confused. The information you shared gives a tie in between original hex code and strategy. But it does not show cross compatibility. The Hydra and FU burner will give a “recommended” strategy based on the hex code. These do not match up with the original strategy. Various strategies will work with a hex code.
Good catch about the transmission tuning
FTN, does Brian recommend special trans tuning for his transmissions? I thought his were fine to run with “normal” settings.
Originally Posted by lpzd
Vraa6s3 has them. I forgot about titan not having modified trans tunes.
Originally Posted by Sous
Your right, the spreadsheet does not show cross compatibility and is a draft document as it stands. I was attempting to help identify additional Box or Hex codes for use while looking up information in the Titan Unlock interface in relation to the known Box and Hex codes.
Originally Posted by bsiliani
Your fueling may be limited more by the size of your injectors.and your custom tuning. As for my setup,
I'm seeing all the power I need (m/t-no load) at 22boost and under 3400 ram. Egt is not a factor at all.
Curious if you limited boost lower, used a 65hp performance tune and 75% throttle if you would get any better results. Do you have numbers on tcc slip? or pw during heavy ipr dc? Could you be experiencing alot of tc slippage when demanding higher ipr DC?
Curious what ipr % is when demanding high boost. Or it could be all in the tuning.
If your going to GTG in 2 weeks I can bring my Spare Hydra, dial,, and cables for testing or if your running DP tunes,, we could pull my chip and try it out in your truck. However I run SXE369 And 238/100.
That way you could get max fueling on your setup and see if that helps. Your egt's are a flag but you know that already.
Originally Posted by RacinJasonWV
Sorry. The purpose flew right over my head. I see what you were doing now.
The chart you guys are building is an interesting project. I love charts and excel. Look forward to seeing the finished product.
Hoo boy. you Hydra guys have got my head spinning. Coming from an F5 where one knows not of hex codes and the like, I only have the faintest clue what you're talking about.
@Bonanza35 , the boost reading is in that VGT/VNT controller screen in the bottom left hand corner of the video.
@RacinJasonWV , Brian did not mention any specific tuning when we had my purchase "interview" but I did mention that I have a DP and that I had told Jody to tune for a BTS. I also told Brian to tune the shifts to be a little less mushy.
@bsiliani , I do have IPR DC and ICP logged from the last test session. I just opted to not display them on screen. I may have to create a Data For Nerds edition of the video. Also, I will take you up on that generous offer to try out your spare Hydra at the GTG. Thank you so much.
We had a snowstorm blow through a few days ago so dry roads for data logging are a little hard to come by right now.
Sorry for going radio silent yesterday guys. I had to put a dying cat to sleep.
It is a beautiful and kind thing that you did for him Leonard, he is at peace now.
Originally Posted by FordTruckNoob
I may have to create a Data For Nerds edition of the video.
Looking forward to it!
Originally Posted by FordTruckNoob
Also, I will take you up on that generous offer to try out your spare Hydra at the GTG. Thank you so much.
This is nice to see and the kind of thing the FTE is famous for! I am sure there will plenty of commentary from the peanut gallery, just like there was when Justin (Jhall1991) was rebuilding his turbo at the Tech Day this summer. Perhaps Ben (97-PSD) can ride in and save the day again if he makes it down from TN.
Sorry to hear about the furry friend. I know that pain all too well.
It’s literally comical that guy still blames the hardware... For many people, it was their HPOP that is inadequate. In my case, not commanding 3200psi solved my low ICP/ high IPR DC problems.
I will make sure we have some alternative calibrations to try. My truck went from ‘drive by pyro’ - requiring me to take my foot out of the throttle on grades - to literally being unable to put EGT in the red. I could pull a big grade with chip in HOT tune (dyno’ed 324hp) with 12.5k lb camper and not see 1300* after I switched tuners. Plus, it was quieter, smoother, more power, less smoke and better MPG (if I didn’t drive like an ******* passing chevy’s and dodge’s pulling trailers up long grades).
Sorry to hear about the furry friend. I know that pain all too well.
It’s literally comical that guy still blames the hardware... For many people, it was their HPOP that is inadequate. In my case, not commanding 3200psi solved my low ICP/ high IPR DC problems.
I will make sure we have some alternative calibrations to try. My truck went from ‘drive by pyro’ - requiring me to take my foot out of the throttle on grades - to literally being unable to put EGT in the red. I could pull a big grade with chip in HOT tune (dyno’ed 324hp) with 12.5k lb camper and not see 1300* after I switched tuners. Plus, it was quieter, smoother, more power, less smoke and better MPG (if I didn’t drive like an ******* passing chevy’s and dodge’s pulling trailers up long grades).
Cool. Thanks man. Maybe I’ll find an all-aluminum gooseneck race hauler in your neck of the woods to buy and perform towing performance tests also.
Originally Posted by KubotaOrange76
sorry havent been on here much guys, my workload at work has basically doubled. Working on making some changes
@bsiliani , I do have IPR DC and ICP logged from the last test session. I just opted to not display them on screen. I may have to create a Data For Nerds edition of the video. Also, I will take you up on that generous offer to try out your spare Hydra at the GTG. Thank you so much.
No problem, I'll bring the Hydra and all cables and switch to GTG.
I'll be there Friday and I have a cabin Fri. And Sat. Night so if your there early I'll be there.
See you then.
Leonard and I have been chatting about this failure via text and needless to say I am heartbroken for him. I know how much effort, work, blood, sweat and tears he put into this build. Having cutting edge technology and high performance parts does not always work out like we want it to without a few stumbles and stubbed toes.
