'07 axles under the '01 Excursion - Conversion Thread
Rear springs are needed for lift purposes I assume? I was planning on modded B-codes anyway so I guess that is a given. I’ll make sure the brake cables etc are with the axle.
I am still learning about my Ex, so with the 6.0 do I have Hydroboost for brakes and steering already? I know there is a vacuum pump on the truck for other stuff so surely it isn’t used for the brake assist too? Reason asking is because I’ve seen guys talking about swapping it in with the other front end parts etc etc so making sure that doesn’t need to be on my list as well....
F code springs are very comparable to the older B codes in case you run into the different rear leaf letters on the newer trucks.
did your use a 07 bar and if so can you confirm the diamete you are using.
ive been doing a bit of tuning on mine and trying diffrent sway bar setups...
I can say for certain the ride quality around town is better with no rear bar.
handeling on twisty roads with rear bar is possibly marginally better but not worth the degraded ride quality.
My front bar is frame mounted behind the axle, ( custom setup )
the Helwig 38mm bar is to stiff and affects wheel travel,
the stock 36mm still seems to stiff when I compare it to running no bar at all.
I am thinking a smaller bar mounted front of axle I see the ticket ( bars mounted at the outward edge of frame have better leverage and can be smaller )
i dont want to derail Mikes thread but your trailer brakes should be sufficient to stop your trailer completely separate from the truck, in fact the trailer brakes should be capable of dragging the truck to a stop... either your controller is set incorrectly or your trailer brakes need service.
that said, the bigger brakes on the newer axles are not going to make you stop quicker or make up for incorrectly working trailer brakes, The bigger brakes are to manage the heat caused by braking, they can absorb and disapate More heat then smaller brakes, This allows you more time before brake fade in repeated or prolonged braking. AS long as your current brakes can lock up a wheel ( or activate the ABS ) then the limiting factor to your brake stopping distance isyour tires not tournament your brakes.
did your use a 07 bar and if so can you confirm the diamete you are using.
ive been doing a bit of tuning on mine and trying diffrent sway bar setups...
I can say for certain the ride quality around town is better with no rear bar.
handeling on twisty roads with rear bar is possibly marginally better but not worth the degraded ride quality.
My front bar is frame mounted behind the axle, ( custom setup )
the Helwig 38mm bar is to stiff and affects wheel travel,
the stock 36mm still seems to stiff when I compare it to running no bar at all.
I am thinking a smaller bar mounted front of axle I see the ticket ( bars mounted at the outward edge of frame have better leverage and can be smaller )
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On to the differences.
1. Coil buckets have a locating dimple on them.
This is the corresponding locating dimple in the frame on the 08 donor F250
This will not fit our EX frames and must be removed. I know Mike's intention was to keep this cheap and simple for the driveway DIYer. However My father-in-law has a metal fabrication business, so this is my fix
Remove the dimple with a plasma cutter
Cut out a washer with the plasma cutter to fill the hole and weld it in
Then grind it smooth(ish)
After I got these home I realized I shouldn't have had the hole burnt in the middle. I should have just had a blank welded in and used an existing hole in the frame. If I would use the hole in the washer that was welded into the coil bucket, the frame would get another hole where the red dot is.
I'll probably just use the hole above and to the right of the red dot.
2. The splice in the frame is gone. On the 08 and newer trucks (at least I suspect this, I only looked at the 08) The frame is one piece, not 2 like our EXs. This in itself is not a problem, but this splice is where the radius arm bracket sits.
08 frame - You can see the rust where the radius arm bracket was removed. This is the area where the splice is on our EXs
EX frame - The red parts are the splice areas, the blue numbers are the 3 existing holes for the radius arm brackets, the green is a rivet for the splice that is under the radius arm bracket.
The 07 and earlier radius arm bracket had 4 holes across the bottom, 3 for rivets/bolts and 1 to go over the rivet for the splice. The 08 and later radius arm brackets don't have a hole to go over the splice rivet on our EXs. I just realized I don't have a pic of my radius arm brackets without the hole, I'll get one up later. If you look up to post #153 in this thread, the 3rd pic from the bottom shows the 4 side mounted bolts. It also shows what appears to be a hole in the radius arm bracket with no bolt (upper left corner of pic). This is the hole that goes over the splice rivet. Post #160 in this thread, 2nd pic from bottom also shows this hole (almost cut off on the left side of the pic). I will have to drill a hole in each radius arm bracket for the rivet.
3. The radius arm bracket is also made differently on 08 and later, but the difference doesn't seem to change anything. I'm not quite to that point yet but should be this weekend and will update if the changed bracket changes anything.
EX frame - The red parts are the splice areas, the blue numbers are the 3 existing holes for the radius arm brackets, the green is a rivet for the splice that is under the radius arm bracket.
We slid the 07's frame in place and bolted it together where the rivets had been with flange head bolts.
The inner splice section helps hold and align the rails as they go back together.
After everything was set straight and level we rewelded the splices.
Since the engine was out this cut down on the amount of work at takes to strip down two frames.
The radius arm brackets were the only other parts that we had to remove from the 07 frame.










