Unbelievable
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I realize more pictures would be best but here are two pictures Randito provided at TDS awhile back.
I quickly clicked through these pages and didn't see any pictures.
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From: herriman utah
if it ingested water how come only one cylinder is effected?? also wondering if the turbo would have been tore up trying to pump water instead of air. also wouldn't the first cylinder the water would hit would be a middle cylinder??
if something happens to my engine, I am going to video them taking it apart and working on it. this is BS the dealer could have done all sorts of things to the truck, what if it rained the filter box was open and the hood was up getting the filter wet.
if something happens to my engine, I am going to video them taking it apart and working on it. this is BS the dealer could have done all sorts of things to the truck, what if it rained the filter box was open and the hood was up getting the filter wet.
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From: Isanti, MN
Hydrolocks don't have to affect the entire engine. Not saying that happened here or anything...
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From: Green Lane, Pa.
My guess is a broken portion of the glow plug did all the damage and the other exhaust valve was not far behind from breaking off. In the late 80's and early 90's this scenario happened many times with the Ford/International 7.3 IDI diesel and the chances increased by using non OEM glow plugs. When I had my 7.3 IDI if I remember correcly the glow plugs were made in Germany and there were some owners who used AC replacements that had problems.
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From: herriman utah
doing a search on hydrolock I did not see any of them with valve damage, the most common damage was bent rods. thinking about it some more I would pick up my truck and say goodby to them for good and not let them touch anything.
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From: Edmonton Alberta
No way it's hydrolock IMHO. I have sucked a lot of water into quite a few engines and never seen a valve fail......
That missing piece of valve looks awafullly familiar to the other valve failures.....
IMHO (again) I would not be too surpirsed if some of the "glow plug dropped" failures were actually vlaves gone first. Glow plug is the first thing to come out and when it is broken..."OH, glow plug broke"....but once dime is bouncing around in there it may be a bit tough to figure out what went first. My guess is valve over glow plug, a glow plug is a pretty basic peice of technology, we should be able to make them to not fail....
Time will tell.....but suck for Randito.
Wish it was covered under warranty so we didn't have to talk about it....
Randito, please keep us posted on what happens.....
That missing piece of valve looks awafullly familiar to the other valve failures.....
IMHO (again) I would not be too surpirsed if some of the "glow plug dropped" failures were actually vlaves gone first. Glow plug is the first thing to come out and when it is broken..."OH, glow plug broke"....but once dime is bouncing around in there it may be a bit tough to figure out what went first. My guess is valve over glow plug, a glow plug is a pretty basic peice of technology, we should be able to make them to not fail....
Time will tell.....but suck for Randito.
Wish it was covered under warranty so we didn't have to talk about it....
Randito, please keep us posted on what happens.....
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From: Roll Tide, Roll
The biggest factor that shows it did not injest water and cause damage,is "no spotless pistons or cly heads". all the old folks know this was a awsome way to decarbon a motor.was to pour water thru with it running. with that said you certaintly didnt want to pour so much that it died and hydrylocked but even if it did the worst case would have been a bent Rod.those valves look burnt off rather that busted. this is my opinion.
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From: North of Salt Lake City
I agree. It looks like what happens when an injector gets stuck open. Constantly spraying fuel which will create such a meltdown and eventual failure of the valve. The dents in the piston and head indicate an extremely hot/soft material which allowed very deep dents from the piece of broken valve. It appears to me that the root cause is way before the valve broke.
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At this point, the dealer owes Randito an engine and labor free of charge.
Then if the dealer so desires, they can argue with Ford for their warranty money since it seems there was a failure with the engine.
But I can't currently understand how this case was properly diagnosed by the dealer.
Then if the dealer so desires, they can argue with Ford for their warranty money since it seems there was a failure with the engine.
But I can't currently understand how this case was properly diagnosed by the dealer.
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From: nestor falls, canada
I think I read somwhere in this or Randito's first post that he has 6 Superduty's and that he has been dealing with this dealer for many years?
Sounding like he really trusted this dealer and that they have taken advantage of a "very trusting" customer.
Makes me shudder how bad they may have taken advantage of him on some of the sales deals to him...
Randy, you have to distance yourself from this dealer and get all this info to the attention of the right person at Ford. It may be a marketing guy instead of a sevice guy/gal but they know the power of the internet and should at least react.
Hopefully this time (unlike Ricks situation) they will realize how they are hurting their own reputation and do the right thing. They can't be that scared of their dealers? If they are then as Rick says
"Shame on Ford"
Sounding like he really trusted this dealer and that they have taken advantage of a "very trusting" customer.
Makes me shudder how bad they may have taken advantage of him on some of the sales deals to him...
Randy, you have to distance yourself from this dealer and get all this info to the attention of the right person at Ford. It may be a marketing guy instead of a sevice guy/gal but they know the power of the internet and should at least react.
Hopefully this time (unlike Ricks situation) they will realize how they are hurting their own reputation and do the right thing. They can't be that scared of their dealers? If they are then as Rick says
"Shame on Ford"
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From: Isanti, MN
Okay guys, something isn't making sense.
I had someone I know run Randy's VIN, and it's not coming anywhere close to matching the information he's posting here. There are NO flags on his VIN and no warranty repairs either. The only thing that shows up is a customer service interaction that was closed and resolved.
So not trying to say it didn't happen, but either Randy posted the wrong VIN or something off the books is going on at that dealer.
I had someone I know run Randy's VIN, and it's not coming anywhere close to matching the information he's posting here. There are NO flags on his VIN and no warranty repairs either. The only thing that shows up is a customer service interaction that was closed and resolved.
So not trying to say it didn't happen, but either Randy posted the wrong VIN or something off the books is going on at that dealer.