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It may be cheaper to weld front clips than to use fasteners, although that could be debated. But I appreciate the increased integrity of the one piece clip. It results in fewer rattles and squeaks and misaligned panels, especially if you use your truck off highway. If you doubt that, let me ask you how you would like a bolted together truck bed?
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time to start a new thread.
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I second the motion!
Tom, what are you smoking and/or drinking?!? It's clouding your judgement!
Tom, what are you smoking and/or drinking?!? It's clouding your judgement!
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its the wife - I knew I could count on you guys. I think hes still sad about his truck so its affecting his brain (especially since we have been to ford,chevy,dodge, and now toyota in a matter of 4 days ahhhhh)....but then again I live with him all the time so I don't think hes always there already 
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Tom and Karri I just found this thread. Sorry for the loss on the truck but it's a relief to see and hear from you Karri and know that you made it out alright. Sorry I don't live closer Tom or I'd volunteer to help you out with the trailers and moving in a heartbeat buddy. Both of you keep your chins up....things will get better. Best of luck!
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It's Tom again, I really should change my password! 
Once I was made aware that I was going to need a new truck I decided that I should test drive everything capable of towing my trailer. To be willfully ignorant of the other choices would only hurt myself, so I figured I need to climb out of the Ford shell for a minute and do some test driving! This includes Ford and Toyota half-tons, as well as Dodge, Ford, and Chevy HD trucks.
Last week I drove a new Ram 2500. Was really impressed by the quiet ride and nice fit and finish, definitely an improvement over previous generations. Was really disappointed by the abysmal fuel economy of the vaunted Cummins engine. With the LNT, EGR, and DPF emissions technologies I expected it to be bad, but I got 13 MPG on a course I should have gotten 14 or so on my dearly departed '08.
Next up were the new 2011 Fords I drove the next day. Really impressed by the improvements in power delivery as well as fuel economy. If I remember right the 6.2L truck averaged around 14-16. All thoughts of the 6.2L engine left my head the moment I mashed the "go" pedal on the new 6.7L PSD! Really amazing engine makes LOTS of power and has very little turbo lag compared to the outgoing 6.4L truck. After that burst of power I reset the lie-o-meter and was shocked to be able to get 22.5 MPG from then until I came back to the dealer.
22.5 is unrealistic for day-to-day driving, but for comparison my '08 would have struggled to clear 16.5 on the same drive.
The downside to the new SDs is the price. Replacing my truck with a similarly equipped 2011 is going to cost over $47K, which is a LOT for me to spend on a truck. I could afford it, but it would be at the limit of my price range. I've been wrestling with this for a few days now, and I'm not sure what to do. An F150 with the max tow package would tow my trailer, but I'm afraid I'll regret going down to a half-ton.
Today I went to the local Chevy dealer and test drove a 2010 Silverado 2500 Duramax truck. MSRP was $51K, and I could have it for $44K. Now aside from the obvious inferiorities of the GMT900 platform vs. the SD, you can get a LOT more truck for the money with the current Chevy incentives. $44K would buy me a truck with a back-up camera, reverse sensing system, dual-zone auto climate control, and some other bells and whistles I can't get on a Ford for that price. Having a REALLY tough time getting around the toothpick-like 4,800 lb GAWR IFS though...
And finally today I went to the local Toyota dealer to test drive a Tundra. The Tundra is the only other half-ton(read: CHEAP) option that would tow my trailer. The Tundra also doesn't have the F150's achilles heel of only 300 HP to tow that much weight around. I was honestly very impressed by the Tundra. Had lots of power, great fit and finish, good ride, huge back seat in the CrewMax cab, dual-zone climate control, and some others. Did I mention the engine? I'm confident it would have the power to handle the weight of my trailer much better, but I'm not sure about the stability of the chassis. But at $38K MSRP, which is negotiable, and 0% financing it's quite a deal.
So after all that test drivin' I needs to find a great deal on a SD! Not sure if I can justify the prices I've seen so far, but I'm certainly gonna try and do better than $47K. If I can't find a better deal I have to decide where to compromise...
Yes! I would be willing to get a 2010 if the deal was right. By "right" I mean a significant discount compared to the 2011s. What do they have in stock?
Once I was made aware that I was going to need a new truck I decided that I should test drive everything capable of towing my trailer. To be willfully ignorant of the other choices would only hurt myself, so I figured I need to climb out of the Ford shell for a minute and do some test driving! This includes Ford and Toyota half-tons, as well as Dodge, Ford, and Chevy HD trucks.
Last week I drove a new Ram 2500. Was really impressed by the quiet ride and nice fit and finish, definitely an improvement over previous generations. Was really disappointed by the abysmal fuel economy of the vaunted Cummins engine. With the LNT, EGR, and DPF emissions technologies I expected it to be bad, but I got 13 MPG on a course I should have gotten 14 or so on my dearly departed '08.
Next up were the new 2011 Fords I drove the next day. Really impressed by the improvements in power delivery as well as fuel economy. If I remember right the 6.2L truck averaged around 14-16. All thoughts of the 6.2L engine left my head the moment I mashed the "go" pedal on the new 6.7L PSD! Really amazing engine makes LOTS of power and has very little turbo lag compared to the outgoing 6.4L truck. After that burst of power I reset the lie-o-meter and was shocked to be able to get 22.5 MPG from then until I came back to the dealer.
22.5 is unrealistic for day-to-day driving, but for comparison my '08 would have struggled to clear 16.5 on the same drive. The downside to the new SDs is the price. Replacing my truck with a similarly equipped 2011 is going to cost over $47K, which is a LOT for me to spend on a truck. I could afford it, but it would be at the limit of my price range. I've been wrestling with this for a few days now, and I'm not sure what to do. An F150 with the max tow package would tow my trailer, but I'm afraid I'll regret going down to a half-ton.
Today I went to the local Chevy dealer and test drove a 2010 Silverado 2500 Duramax truck. MSRP was $51K, and I could have it for $44K. Now aside from the obvious inferiorities of the GMT900 platform vs. the SD, you can get a LOT more truck for the money with the current Chevy incentives. $44K would buy me a truck with a back-up camera, reverse sensing system, dual-zone auto climate control, and some other bells and whistles I can't get on a Ford for that price. Having a REALLY tough time getting around the toothpick-like 4,800 lb GAWR IFS though...
And finally today I went to the local Toyota dealer to test drive a Tundra. The Tundra is the only other half-ton(read: CHEAP) option that would tow my trailer. The Tundra also doesn't have the F150's achilles heel of only 300 HP to tow that much weight around. I was honestly very impressed by the Tundra. Had lots of power, great fit and finish, good ride, huge back seat in the CrewMax cab, dual-zone climate control, and some others. Did I mention the engine? I'm confident it would have the power to handle the weight of my trailer much better, but I'm not sure about the stability of the chassis. But at $38K MSRP, which is negotiable, and 0% financing it's quite a deal.
So after all that test drivin' I needs to find a great deal on a SD! Not sure if I can justify the prices I've seen so far, but I'm certainly gonna try and do better than $47K. If I can't find a better deal I have to decide where to compromise...
Originally Posted by 5.4L to Freedom
Tom, do you want a 2010 or 2011 SD, I talked to my local dealer today and they said there are a few 2010 SD's that match the description of your truck on the lot. If you would consider the 2010 I can check and make sure its close to what you had and give the dealer your number.
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now that I got rid of him so I can use to computer again, just wanted to say thanks again everyone for thinking about us. I'm still pretty sore but I started physical therapy today and its going well. The physical therapy guy thinks I will be able to go back to work in 2 weeks. And if I have anything to do with this new truck buyin....we will not be getting anything other then a Ford. The one I sent to truck heaven grew on me quickly (wasn't such a fan at first) but now we must get another one. So we will see. We are hoping in the next week(ish) to replace the white one :-)
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It's Tom again, I really should change my password!
Once I was made aware that I was going to need a new truck I decided that I should test drive everything capable of towing my trailer. To be willfully ignorant of the other choices would only hurt myself, so I figured I need to climb out of the Ford shell for a minute and do some test driving! This includes Ford and Toyota half-tons, as well as Dodge, Ford, and Chevy HD trucks.
Last week I drove a new Ram 2500. Was really impressed by the quiet ride and nice fit and finish, definitely an improvement over previous generations. Was really disappointed by the abysmal fuel economy of the vaunted Cummins engine. With the LNT, EGR, and DPF emissions technologies I expected it to be bad, but I got 13 MPG on a course I should have gotten 14 or so on my dearly departed '08.
Next up were the new 2011 Fords I drove the next day. Really impressed by the improvements in power delivery as well as fuel economy. If I remember right the 6.2L truck averaged around 14-16. All thoughts of the 6.2L engine left my head the moment I mashed the "go" pedal on the new 6.7L PSD! Really amazing engine makes LOTS of power and has very little turbo lag compared to the outgoing 6.4L truck. After that burst of power I reset the lie-o-meter and was shocked to be able to get 22.5 MPG from then until I came back to the dealer. 22.5 is unrealistic for day-to-day driving, but for comparison my '08 would have struggled to clear 16.5 on the same drive.
The downside to the new SDs is the price. Replacing my truck with a similarly equipped 2011 is going to cost over $47K, which is a LOT for me to spend on a truck. I could afford it, but it would be at the limit of my price range. I've been wrestling with this for a few days now, and I'm not sure what to do. An F150 with the max tow package would tow my trailer, but I'm afraid I'll regret going down to a half-ton.
Today I went to the local Chevy dealer and test drove a 2010 Silverado 2500 Duramax truck. MSRP was $51K, and I could have it for $44K. Now aside from the obvious inferiorities of the GMT900 platform vs. the SD, you can get a LOT more truck for the money with the current Chevy incentives. $44K would buy me a truck with a back-up camera, reverse sensing system, dual-zone auto climate control, and some other bells and whistles I can't get on a Ford for that price. Having a REALLY tough time getting around the toothpick-like 4,800 lb GAWR IFS though...
And finally today I went to the local Toyota dealer to test drive a Tundra. The Tundra is the only other half-ton(read: CHEAP) option that would tow my trailer. The Tundra also doesn't have the F150's achilles heel of only 300 HP to tow that much weight around. I was honestly very impressed by the Tundra. Had lots of power, great fit and finish, good ride, huge back seat in the CrewMax cab, dual-zone climate control, and some others. Did I mention the engine? I'm confident it would have the power to handle the weight of my trailer much better, but I'm not sure about the stability of the chassis. But at $38K MSRP, which is negotiable, and 0% financing it's quite a deal.
So after all that test drivin' I needs to find a great deal on a SD! Not sure if I can justify the prices I've seen so far, but I'm certainly gonna try and do better than $47K. If I can't find a better deal I have to decide where to compromise...
Yes! I would be willing to get a 2010 if the deal was right. By "right" I mean a significant discount compared to the 2011s. What do they have in stock?
Once I was made aware that I was going to need a new truck I decided that I should test drive everything capable of towing my trailer. To be willfully ignorant of the other choices would only hurt myself, so I figured I need to climb out of the Ford shell for a minute and do some test driving! This includes Ford and Toyota half-tons, as well as Dodge, Ford, and Chevy HD trucks.
Last week I drove a new Ram 2500. Was really impressed by the quiet ride and nice fit and finish, definitely an improvement over previous generations. Was really disappointed by the abysmal fuel economy of the vaunted Cummins engine. With the LNT, EGR, and DPF emissions technologies I expected it to be bad, but I got 13 MPG on a course I should have gotten 14 or so on my dearly departed '08.
Next up were the new 2011 Fords I drove the next day. Really impressed by the improvements in power delivery as well as fuel economy. If I remember right the 6.2L truck averaged around 14-16. All thoughts of the 6.2L engine left my head the moment I mashed the "go" pedal on the new 6.7L PSD! Really amazing engine makes LOTS of power and has very little turbo lag compared to the outgoing 6.4L truck. After that burst of power I reset the lie-o-meter and was shocked to be able to get 22.5 MPG from then until I came back to the dealer.
22.5 is unrealistic for day-to-day driving, but for comparison my '08 would have struggled to clear 16.5 on the same drive. The downside to the new SDs is the price. Replacing my truck with a similarly equipped 2011 is going to cost over $47K, which is a LOT for me to spend on a truck. I could afford it, but it would be at the limit of my price range. I've been wrestling with this for a few days now, and I'm not sure what to do. An F150 with the max tow package would tow my trailer, but I'm afraid I'll regret going down to a half-ton.
Today I went to the local Chevy dealer and test drove a 2010 Silverado 2500 Duramax truck. MSRP was $51K, and I could have it for $44K. Now aside from the obvious inferiorities of the GMT900 platform vs. the SD, you can get a LOT more truck for the money with the current Chevy incentives. $44K would buy me a truck with a back-up camera, reverse sensing system, dual-zone auto climate control, and some other bells and whistles I can't get on a Ford for that price. Having a REALLY tough time getting around the toothpick-like 4,800 lb GAWR IFS though...
And finally today I went to the local Toyota dealer to test drive a Tundra. The Tundra is the only other half-ton(read: CHEAP) option that would tow my trailer. The Tundra also doesn't have the F150's achilles heel of only 300 HP to tow that much weight around. I was honestly very impressed by the Tundra. Had lots of power, great fit and finish, good ride, huge back seat in the CrewMax cab, dual-zone climate control, and some others. Did I mention the engine? I'm confident it would have the power to handle the weight of my trailer much better, but I'm not sure about the stability of the chassis. But at $38K MSRP, which is negotiable, and 0% financing it's quite a deal.
So after all that test drivin' I needs to find a great deal on a SD! Not sure if I can justify the prices I've seen so far, but I'm certainly gonna try and do better than $47K. If I can't find a better deal I have to decide where to compromise...
Yes! I would be willing to get a 2010 if the deal was right. By "right" I mean a significant discount compared to the 2011s. What do they have in stock?
Now, you need to get this Toyota garbage out of your head. In all seriousness you get what you pay for... and if you need some justification as why NOT to buy a Tundra just let me know when you want me to start the list
. Chevy's aint a bad truck but dont really compare to the SD's from a performance standpoint. Dodge is maybe a ****hair of an improvement over the yoter, but seriously man pull yourself together.
