Superchips 6.0 Microtuner Thread
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Originally Posted by blown5.4
why do you say salesman those are now just true facts that vic's #'s are incorrect at the rwhp just trying to give everybody the right info. no harm done i think right and i am not trying to put anybody down i think that everybody is intitled to correct info. maybe he is being told to post those #'s i don't know i just want to know what is right before i spend $400.00. I am sorry if honesty hurts but that is how i was brought up to be honest.
I was just commenting on this statement you made about what the salesmen told you, ie:
... talked to Superchips custom inc. they are diffrent than superchip. Same owners diffrent companies they told me that thier chip is more powerful than the regular Superchip 1704. When I asked what Hp they were producing I was told 80 HP at the rear tires. ????
and doing an inaudible "sigh" thinking about some people saying whatever it takes to make a sale...
present party excepted, of course !
Last edited by jdadamsjr; May 18, 2004 at 12:23 PM.
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Originally Posted by webmaster
Tim is not involved in my article, though he does have both tuners. Driveability will be tough to gauge because its so subjective. Shift firmness can be determined by seat of the pants. Smoke is an issue that can be verified by sight for each.
Fuel economy... that's a tough one to test. The problem is you have to have consistancy to measure mpg. The same tuner using the same power setting on the same road trip can vary mileage based on air temp, road temp, etc. Fuel economy will require a long term test of two vehicles used in similar conditions. I'm really not sure how this can be accomplished unless someone has a fleet and the driver's rotate between vehicles. I do know, however, that both companies claim fuel economy. Based on feed back from Predator customers I know its true. Too soon to get much feedback with SCMT customers, but I'm sure they're probably going to see good gains as well.
The only real non-subjective tests at this time that I can do are on a dyno. We'll be doing a dyno day this summer with a number of trucks.
Fuel economy... that's a tough one to test. The problem is you have to have consistancy to measure mpg. The same tuner using the same power setting on the same road trip can vary mileage based on air temp, road temp, etc. Fuel economy will require a long term test of two vehicles used in similar conditions. I'm really not sure how this can be accomplished unless someone has a fleet and the driver's rotate between vehicles. I do know, however, that both companies claim fuel economy. Based on feed back from Predator customers I know its true. Too soon to get much feedback with SCMT customers, but I'm sure they're probably going to see good gains as well.
The only real non-subjective tests at this time that I can do are on a dyno. We'll be doing a dyno day this summer with a number of trucks.
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From: Lake Mary, FL
Originally Posted by $trokin60
First off I would like to appologize to Vic Ferrarri ( I know that is an Alliase) and Superchips. I was'nt trying to run you down. I was just stating what I saw at WFC. I was trying to bring to light the fact that I think both of these tuners (Diablo predater and superchips 1704) are pretty close to each other performance wise on the track. I have the Predater installed in my truck. It works well, but I would like to see lower EGT's, and not have antifreeze blow out of the degas bottle. If I could afford it I would evaluate one of each of the modules/tuners and run the one that I like the best. I am in the Army I am not a salesman. Since most people are like me and dont have a lot of cash to play with, We try to get educated from people that have used the equipment or have seen it perform. As far as what superchips custom tuning inc said @ WFC that was just an employee trying to sell his product by hyping it up. That's just the nature of the bussiness. From what I have seen of dyno numbers I think there are to many varibles to give an accurate reading of HP/TQ numbers to the general public. I like the way Banks does theres, they put out dyno numbers, quarter mile times, 0-60 MPH time, how many second were knocked of of an incline tow with x amount of load and a couple other that I cant remember.
Hey....salesmen will always be salesmen.
(I am not a salesman)
In fact, I told no one here to "buy" the 1704 or anything else.
I'm simply giving information on the product I did the tuning on.
Any where you go (and I mean anywhere, from car chips to potato chip salesmen)..there wil be people who know the facts, people who are COACHED on the facts (and misquote them at times through simple error) and those who just don't know, but give an answer anyway.
Superchips Inc. released the official HP and torque numbers for Superchips, Inc, which has nothng to do with how Superchips Custom came to their numbers.
They both make a great product.
These are two separate (and friendly) companies that share information, but they ARE two separate companies with separate ownership.
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Originally Posted by webmaster
I'm going to bow out of this thread for now --- too much chance for hostility. I sell both products lines and there's no denying both are great. My dyno article, if I can find the time to wrap it up, will speak for itself and I think each customer will be the best judge of what is right for them. It boils down to: are you happy with it?
Kidding =o)
Everything is this thread so far is ok by me.
It's easy to distinguish the complete intelligent thoughts form the posts that are just silly assumptions.
Notice I press on here....
This thread hs some intelligent life.
In here (and in other threads in other forums) I see people who have tried all products, and have a definite preference for the overall power and drivability of the 1704. This shows up more everyday, and it keeps the flamers more quiet everyday. People are noticing how long the powerband is with the 1704, how killer the shifting and drivability is and how low the EGT's are.
The mileage gain testimonials are really growing too =o)
What do I care if 5 people make attacks in a forum?'
(...Or many attacks from the same 5 people)
Most of them have revealed information that they have a vested interest in another diesel tuning product.
I'm not worried about it.
I came right out and told everyone what I do so there was no slyness about it.
I've already got several thousand pleased 1704 users, and I get feedback on this everyday =o)
If every successful person in the world worried about silly (and mostly invalid)attacks, they wouldn't be successful people =o)
The 1704 is a HUGE success, and it takes an awful lot for me to call something a huge success.
Last edited by Vic_Ferrari; May 18, 2004 at 06:01 PM.
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Vic,
If I would like for a buddy of mine to try out my superchips programmer, is it possible to download the stock program back into mine and unVIN lock it?
Or do I just download back to stock and then it will lock onto another VIN if used on another truck.
Thanks,
Kevin
If I would like for a buddy of mine to try out my superchips programmer, is it possible to download the stock program back into mine and unVIN lock it?
Or do I just download back to stock and then it will lock onto another VIN if used on another truck.
Thanks,
Kevin
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Originally Posted by Vic_Ferrari
I know what you are talking about here, but you missed my point.
These truck do NOT shift from 3rd to 4th.
It just doesn't happen.
They shift 1,2,3,5,6 (6 is OD)
4th is used for deceleration only.
But you are not the only to speak of the 3-5 shift ad preferring it to be a little lower at part throttle.
37 MPH, 1800-2000 RPM
Would 1600-1700 RPM be better?
I'd like to take a mini-poll here.
What would you guys prefer?
I don't want to go too low because then you get back into the medley of downshifting which we all hate so much.
If it's lowered too much it will upshift early, then a slight squeeze of the throttle wil make it downshift again immediately.
If I lower this (which I probably will), it will only be a LITTLE bit and only at very light throttle.
These truck do NOT shift from 3rd to 4th.
It just doesn't happen.
They shift 1,2,3,5,6 (6 is OD)
4th is used for deceleration only.
But you are not the only to speak of the 3-5 shift ad preferring it to be a little lower at part throttle.
37 MPH, 1800-2000 RPM
Would 1600-1700 RPM be better?
I'd like to take a mini-poll here.
What would you guys prefer?
I don't want to go too low because then you get back into the medley of downshifting which we all hate so much.
If it's lowered too much it will upshift early, then a slight squeeze of the throttle wil make it downshift again immediately.
If I lower this (which I probably will), it will only be a LITTLE bit and only at very light throttle.
I know your point on the tranny gears i your little spat with 444-d on the other forum. all of us in the regular world would call it 3rd to 4th. anyways yes i think that 1600-1700 would be perfect for the low throttle shift.
thanks, jamie
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Originally Posted by JCROMAN
VIC,
I know your point on the tranny gears i your little spat with 444-d on the other forum. all of us in the regular world would call it 3rd to 4th. anyways yes i think that 1600-1700 would be perfect for the low throttle shift.
thanks, jamie
I know your point on the tranny gears i your little spat with 444-d on the other forum. all of us in the regular world would call it 3rd to 4th. anyways yes i think that 1600-1700 would be perfect for the low throttle shift.
thanks, jamie
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Anyone living in Massachusetts with the 1704 tuner for a 6.0 I would love to take a ride in your 6.0 because I ran the 1704 in my truck and did not get what I expected , hoping maybe it was the truck or the Computer code Vic had mentioned these theories--- e-mail me if you like
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Originally Posted by Vic_Ferrari
Come on Ken...Cowboy up!
Kidding =o)
Everything is this thread so far is ok by me.
It's easy to distinguish the complete intelligent thoughts form the posts that are just silly assumptions.
Notice I press on here....
This thread hs some intelligent life.
In here (and in other threads in other forums) I see people who have tried all products, and have a definite preference for the overall power and drivability of the 1704. This shows up more everyday, and it keeps the flamers more quiet everyday. People are noticing how long the powerband is with the 1704, how killer the shifting and drivability is and how low the EGT's are.
The mileage gain testimonials are really growing too =o)
What do I care if 5 people make attacks in a forum?'
(...Or many attacks from the same 5 people)
Most of them have revealed information that they have a vested interest in another diesel tuning product.
I'm not worried about it.
I came right out and told everyone what I do so there was no slyness about it.
I've already got several thousand pleased 1704 users, and I get feedback on this everyday =o)
If every successful person in the world worried about silly (and mostly invalid)attacks, they wouldn't be successful people =o)
The 1704 is a HUGE success, and it takes an awful lot for me to call something a huge success.
Kidding =o)
Everything is this thread so far is ok by me.
It's easy to distinguish the complete intelligent thoughts form the posts that are just silly assumptions.
Notice I press on here....
This thread hs some intelligent life.
In here (and in other threads in other forums) I see people who have tried all products, and have a definite preference for the overall power and drivability of the 1704. This shows up more everyday, and it keeps the flamers more quiet everyday. People are noticing how long the powerband is with the 1704, how killer the shifting and drivability is and how low the EGT's are.
The mileage gain testimonials are really growing too =o)
What do I care if 5 people make attacks in a forum?'
(...Or many attacks from the same 5 people)
Most of them have revealed information that they have a vested interest in another diesel tuning product.
I'm not worried about it.
I came right out and told everyone what I do so there was no slyness about it.
I've already got several thousand pleased 1704 users, and I get feedback on this everyday =o)
If every successful person in the world worried about silly (and mostly invalid)attacks, they wouldn't be successful people =o)
The 1704 is a HUGE success, and it takes an awful lot for me to call something a huge success.
I appreciate your posts. They are thoughtful and from someone with obviously extensive automotive knowledge.
With that said, there are people on this forum with the mindset to throw beer cans at a NASCAR race. Keep that in mind the next time you get flamed
Last edited by Choctaw Bob; May 18, 2004 at 08:58 PM.
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Originally Posted by softwizard
Vic,
If I would like for a buddy of mine to try out my superchips programmer, is it possible to download the stock program back into mine and unVIN lock it?
Or do I just download back to stock and then it will lock onto another VIN if used on another truck.
Thanks,
Kevin
If I would like for a buddy of mine to try out my superchips programmer, is it possible to download the stock program back into mine and unVIN lock it?
Or do I just download back to stock and then it will lock onto another VIN if used on another truck.
Thanks,
Kevin
After he is done trying it he can set his back to stock and the tuner will again work for you on your truck.
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Originally Posted by SZAM
Anyone living in Massachusetts with the 1704 tuner for a 6.0 I would love to take a ride in your 6.0 because I ran the 1704 in my truck and did not get what I expected , hoping maybe it was the truck or the Computer code Vic had mentioned these theories--- e-mail me if you like
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Originally Posted by softwizard
Sorry man, I'm in Indiana. The 1704 really lit my truck up. The only two codes I'm showing is P6030 and P1000.
These are normal (see previous posts) and will show up on a stock truck with no tuning or foreign devices installed.
Since I'm too lazy to make a new post on a separate subject, I'll do it here:
I had a scenario today with a local guy who said the performance file did nothing to his truck.
I had him bring it in, I installed his tuner and proceeded to do a huge burnout (with his permission). He drove it an couldnt believe how fast it was.
It turns out that he unplugged the tuner after the upload, before tuning was installed and he never got the performance file.
He was happy as a pig in mud when he left =o)
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Vic do you want to come install mine then I left it plugged in but I could not do any sort of burnout , by the way you got 472HP out of your 6.0 I could have used that Saturday to shut the Dodge guys up me and a buddy had to take one on the chin 
how are you gettinf the power 
how are you gettinf the power
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472 HP on a 6.0 ?!?!?!? At the wheels ?!?!?!!?
Whoa !!! I'm not calling BS (yet), but I have to see some proof of this !
The max we saw out of ANY powerstroke on Dyno Day in DFW was 387 !!!
"Show me the beef !"
And as far as the burnout... it can be done with a stock motor, just not to the scary extent with the modules/chips...
Be in a SAFE place with some room on either side and in front...
Stand on the brakes with your left foot, and build boost with the throttle until about 2000 rpms and be ready...
Mine actually will break away with the brakes still on !
Scared the liquid out of me the first time...
I was just practicing for the drags to get a good start and didn't know it would do that ! WOO_HOO !
Whoa !!! I'm not calling BS (yet), but I have to see some proof of this !
The max we saw out of ANY powerstroke on Dyno Day in DFW was 387 !!!
"Show me the beef !"
And as far as the burnout... it can be done with a stock motor, just not to the scary extent with the modules/chips...
Be in a SAFE place with some room on either side and in front...
Stand on the brakes with your left foot, and build boost with the throttle until about 2000 rpms and be ready...
Mine actually will break away with the brakes still on !
Scared the liquid out of me the first time...
I was just practicing for the drags to get a good start and didn't know it would do that ! WOO_HOO !
Last edited by jdadamsjr; May 19, 2004 at 06:33 AM.
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From: Dallas
Originally Posted by jdadamsjr
472 HP on a 6.0 ?!?!?!? At the wheels ?!?!?!!?
Whoa !!! I'm not calling BS (yet), but I have to see some proof of this !
The max we saw out of ANY powerstroke on Dyno Day in DFW was 387 !!!
"Show me the beef !"
And as far as the burnout... it can be done with a stock motor, just not to the scary extent with the modules/chips...
Be in a SAFE place with some room on either side and in front...
Stand on the brakes with your left foot, and build boost with the throttle until about 2000 rpms and be ready...
Mine actually will break away with the brakes still on !
Scared the liquid out of me the first time...
I was just practicing for the drags to get a good start and didn't know it would do that ! WOO_HOO !
Whoa !!! I'm not calling BS (yet), but I have to see some proof of this !
The max we saw out of ANY powerstroke on Dyno Day in DFW was 387 !!!
"Show me the beef !"
And as far as the burnout... it can be done with a stock motor, just not to the scary extent with the modules/chips...
Be in a SAFE place with some room on either side and in front...
Stand on the brakes with your left foot, and build boost with the throttle until about 2000 rpms and be ready...
Mine actually will break away with the brakes still on !
Scared the liquid out of me the first time...
I was just practicing for the drags to get a good start and didn't know it would do that ! WOO_HOO !
The predator did add a genuine 100 HP tp the rear wheels to the stock (275) dyno rating in our tests last weekend.