Just placed the order for the superchip through motorhaven.....cant wait till it gets here, Ill post the results for the dually.........

 

The 1700 and early release of the 1705 (94-03 7.3L) had two programs:
Tow and Offroad. They were 60HP and 80 HP respectively.
These are the numbers on some of those boxes.
There was no "generic" Microtuner (as someone had mentioned)
All tuners are box code/calibrations specific, meaning that they tune according to your particular factory calibration.

 

[QUOTE=Uncle Buck][QUOTE=turbotom]When did you order it? I have had one on order for over a week and no word on when I might get it. I had the Superchip in my 02 7.3L and it was great, can't wait for mine to arrive.
Thanks
Tom[/Q Sorry about that!!! Like I said The Devil made me do it. It won't happen again. I certainly don't want to get in trouble. This is a great forum with lots of good advice. Thanks for all the help. Buck

 

I phoned Motorhaven this morning to check on my Monday order..the lady said that they'd be shipping today to all of you lucky guys down south. Unfortunately the person that handles the shipping to Canada isn't in till tomorrow so I guess the tires
have a bit of a reprieve for a few extra days.

 

Buck it is not about getting in trouble, it is about a mans business and his well-being. Ken earns a living here, and all of us need to understand and respect that.
Look at it this way, your best friend owns an AutoZone, and your frequent the place, great information, good bench racing… now you stand in the door-way and start telling everyone who comes in the door to drive down the street and buy their parts at another shop…………guess what will ultimately happen. Your friends place has a hard time making it, you still like hanging out…but now the parts are being purchased somewhere else. Try not to look at it...as "in trouble", look at it as helping your buddy to keep his business prosperous.

 

What I meant to say was that the printing on the box appears to be generic for all microtuners both gas and diesel models, not that the microtuners themselves were generic. Otherwise the box would not have a sticky label on the bottom that specifies which model of Microtuner is contained inside.

My other point was that the 10% HP gain was for gas models. The next line down gives the expected performance gain for diesels.

Daryl

 

GollEEEE Tim...
well said !!!

I'm impressed :-)
And Choctaw Bob said you didn't have it in you !!!!

LOL !

 

I just received my superchips tuner, had to wait 8 days. But it was well worth the wait I can say. The only thing I found wrong is that my foot wants to stay to the floor board all the time. This thing is great. Hopefully I can drive conservatively to see the MPG gain they are talking about. I would also like to thank the sales lady that helped me at mote haven I called her every day to see when it would show up.

 

I just never suspected the depth of genius, the expressive ability, the cunning...Wow!

 

O-sure you guys are impressed now, you should see me the rest of the day.
I like the cunning part best....

 

Have any reports on unloaded fuel economy gains?

 

That will be my (eventual) results. I load only on occasion. I have a 37 mile commute (one way ) to work and I run only with a cap. I have low mileage, so I expect a gradual gain anyway. But with the SC set on economy, I expect more sooner. I only occasionally tow a load, and will note this as I track mileage. I've already increase 0.5 because of the warmer weather.

 

Luvin' my 1704, Vic! Good Job! One question... Do we need to worry about all that HP in overdrive? I have heard of tranny slipping issues with other products and would like some input. Thanks!

 

This is cut from my post in another forum.

Good read....I promise:
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WHen the dyno sheets come out and I have something I'm allowed to show, I will explain it in depth.
You'll be able to see what the gain is in HP and Torque at each RPM once the charts are released. You will see the peak and of peak gains. The peak gains are advertised. The off-peak gains are just plain absurd =o)

Vic


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I thought I asked a simple question, that should have a simple answer. But either I didn't get an answer, or it wasn't simple enough for me to understand.

So, let me try one more time.

Vic_Ferrari,

What is the difference in peak HP numbers between a 6.0 PSD that is stock and the same 6.0 PSD with the SC 1704 "150HP" tune loaded?

(hint: the answer should simply be a number, not some vague marketspeak like, for example, "the peak gains are advertised")

(hint2: I just saw another thread in this forum that gives hard data. It says that the answer to my question is 95. Is that really right? The SC "150 HP" tune really only increases peak HP by 95?)

(guy from other forum)


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My answer:

Your question is fair enough, and I will give as short of an answer as possible. (which isn't going to be short)
If you would, please try to be a little more patient/polite.
There is no reason to be impatient, crass or impolite.

Moving on...

I dyno tested the 1704 and it makes 150 HP at peak at the tire.
(theres your cut and dry answer, now it must be explained)

To elaborate on this, pulls were done with the transmission LOCKED in 5th gear through all stock and modified pulls.
Why does this matter?

I did a lot of load testing in all gears, but power runs were with inertia pulls.
While making inertia power runs with a diesel (or anything turbocharged), load will drastically affect peak boost (and WHEN it attains peak boost, this is also of vital importance) and power output.

As with any chassis dyno test, the most accurate "at the tire" measurement is whichever gear delivers a 1:1 ratio to avoid power/torque loss or multplication.
In our case it is 5th gear ("6" is overdrive)

To make the test consistent, I LOCKED the truck in 5th gear for all runs to measure power before and after tuning. I then locked the torque converter constantly to keep the converter slip from affecting power numbers. This creates load similar to what you would see accelerating hard on the street. Remember, this was done stock and modified.

The truck will "make less power" using 1st, 2nd or 3rd (keep in mind, this is less power on a dyno in inertia mode because the roller can't duplicate enough load in inertia phase to make peak power with the trucks gearing as effective as it is in lower gears.)
Gains will also be lesser in the lower gears on an inertia dyno with a turbocharged vehicle.
Make sense?
In other words...the rollers spin too freely in inertia phase and the trucks effective gearing in the lower gears is strong enough to alleviate enough load that it causes less power to show a the tire (since load is required to reach peak boost quickly, and for a number of other reasons).

What? =o)
Read it closely. It makes sense.

In retrospect...the truck would make more power in 6th gear on an inertia dyno than it would in 5th, but we don't use this because 6th is not a 1:1 ratio.

So to answer your question:
Yes, the 1704 makes 150 hp at peak (and it makes more than that off peak)...in a 5th gear pull (with upshifting and downshifting 'locked out' in the program), compared to stock runs made the same way.

Notice a tuned stroke makes more power as load inreases?
I've had many people tell me by the upper gears it's pulling HARD.

1:1 lockup is the only way to get power measurements at the tire as correct as possible with inertia power measurement.
A chassis dyno is only an effective tool if you know how to use it properly.

These are by far not the only vaiables that are controlled during the test. Engine oil temp must be nearly identical before I will compare runs...I also watch IAT, etc...

Then you have wheel slip....an entirely different subject. Sometimes stock trucks don't slip but modified trucks do. 10% (or whatever percent)slippage will cause a drop in power. If you cant measure slip, you can't measure power loss due to slip, and thus can not apply a correction with any accuracy.

Tuning is very technical, and it's very difficult to be exact when making dyno runs, particularly when you can't control all of the variables.
Even with an engine dyno, there are variables.

Even if all measures are taken, there are still variables.
Some look for cut and dry answers, but there is little (if anything) with this subject that can be cut and dry.

On another subject...
Stock vs stock or stock vs modded, the occasional truck will be a freak of nature and make more or less power.
That's just how the automotive business goes.
Humans (and human built machines) assemble vehicles, and no two are exactly the same.
Some calibrations are different, too...

These are not 'exuses', these are variables.
I'm not saying the Predator didn't make more power in this situation...
It very well may have.
This is one truck, and the procedures used to test have not yet been given. I also find it odd that in this test they didn't measure torque numbers.
Isn't that what these diesels are all about?
Torque gets it going, HP keeps it going.

When we have some charts to really look at, I'll break it all down in short,lay terms (hah!) and you'll be able to see the gains at each RPM.

I fear the flood of questions that may follow this post =o), but it will at least give somthing to contemplate and research (if this sort of thing interests you).

 

VIC, explained PERFECTLY!!!

you have to compare apples to apples, and the only way that will happen, is to test the predator, and the 1704 on the same truck, utilizing the same method, which will not really ever happen, as how are you going to lock the truck in 5th gear with the predator since they likely have proprietary software (???) .....

seems drag testing the same truck, on the same day with each tuner is the best way imho...although tire spin will be a factor, several runs in each should allow for comparable 60' times in which to compare....

i had not really ever thought it would be so difficult dyno test these trucks.....but now that you have explained it, it is quite clear.

there will still be a meathead posting that "they get more power!" .....wish i could convince my wife we need the 1704!

im tryin....

one question for ya as well, i have 295/75/16" on my stock wheels, stock size was 235/85/16....what would be the procedure to get the odometer to read correctly? (with the 1704 of course)

hope it was not a lame question....

thanks for the good information thus far, and please keep it coming, i enjoy reading your posts.