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I saw an overhead shot linked to the time the lights went out. It showed he was at least a tire length outside of the box at the time. Since he dropped out of the race we may or may not see definitive photos. Charley probably had the best view and the penalty has been imposed....
It was close to a perfect start for him.... It just looked exaggerated because of the others delayed reaction to the lights.....
Just a side show to what could have been a much better race at Spa! I can't imagine all that preparation just to end up watching from a monitor. Or at least being able to.... That was a very close call inside Alonso's work station!
Maybe they need a white line, no crossing over zone, down into turn 1!
(just joking)
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It was close to a perfect start for him.... It just looked exaggerated because of the others delayed reaction to the lights.....
Just a side show to what could have been a much better race at Spa! I can't imagine all that preparation just to end up watching from a monitor. Or at least being able to.... That was a very close call inside Alonso's work station!
Maybe they need a white line, no crossing over zone, down into turn 1!
(just joking).
That crash must have been a $40million screw-up! Not counting all the other implications, what might have been, etc.
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True, he might not have jumped, but if you look at this opening shot, after changing to youtube and going full screen, you will see that he was outside of the box before the green. He hadn't moved yet but was over the line by a tire length. That is what I saw on a overhead replay on SkyTv but I just watched the start again on Speed. No definitive view of movement but the on-board shot from Hamilton also shows the possibility that his front tires were outside the box before the start.
A great start but sadly from over the line. Click on "watch on youtube" then full screen. Pause and get rid of the ads....
Then look where he is on the grid. Clearly over the line. He said his hand slipped and maybe "electronically" he was ahead of the lights; visually 0/0.
So he didn't jump the start by movement just by his placement on the grid.
F1 Crash in Belgium |
A 40 Mil is probably a good estimate! It sure looked as thought Alonso would have slotted into 4th and with Pastor out 3rd. What a race we missed....
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A great start but sadly from over the line. Click on "watch on youtube" then full screen. Pause and get rid of the ads....
Then look where he is on the grid. Clearly over the line. He said his hand slipped and maybe "electronically" he was ahead of the lights; visually 0/0.
So he didn't jump the start by movement just by his placement on the grid.
F1 Crash in Belgium |
A 40 Mil is probably a good estimate! It sure looked as thought Alonso would have slotted into 4th and with Pastor out 3rd. What a race we missed....
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Originally Posted by OldStyle;
So he didn't jump the start by movement just by his placement on the grid.
[URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4R2Kw8UlXI&feature=player_embedded"
So he didn't jump the start by movement just by his placement on the grid.
[URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4R2Kw8UlXI&feature=player_embedded"
F1 Crash in Belgium |[/URL]
A 40 Mil is probably a good estimate! It sure looked as thought Alonso would have slotted into 4th and with Pastor out 3rd. What a race we missed....
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A 40 Mil is probably a good estimate! It sure looked as thought Alonso would have slotted into 4th and with Pastor out 3rd. What a race we missed....
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Welcome to the F1 gang...not many of us ...but stick around we are fanatics about open wheel .
On a side not...we are headed for a canopy on the cars...not sure I like that but...safety
Grosjean's early issues
On a side not...we are headed for a canopy on the cars...not sure I like that but...safety
Grosjean's early issues
- Australia: Contact with Maldonado on the second lap battling for sixth place which ended his race
Verdict: Could have backed out
Malaysia: Tapped Michael Schumacher in to a spin on lap one before sliding out in treacherous conditions two laps later
Verdict: Understandably caught out by conditions
Spain: Damaged front wing hitting Sergio Perez in turn two, leaving the Sauber with a puncture
Verdict: Should have lifted
Monaco: Hit Schumacher again before turn one, breaking his rear suspension
Verdict: Unlucky trying to avoid Alonso. Blameless
Great Britain: Similar to Spain, broke his front wing clipping Paul di Resta at turn four, sending the Force India spinning off with a puncture
Verdict: Small error, but should have known where his front wing was
Germany: Contact leads to puncture and poor result
Verdict Should have learnt after Silverstone first lap
Belgium: Needless contact with Hamilton sends both cars ploughing through the field at La Source, taking out Alonso and Perez
Verdict: Senseless error - though small - nearly had dire consequences. Dangerous
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I should have see that coming..... Sorry F1 does control their broadcasts. I should have grabbed a screen shot....
"canopy on the cars"
Oh my....
I foresee the day the drivers will be remotely connected to the cars with a drive by wire system; for safety....
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"canopy on the cars"
Oh my....I foresee the day the drivers will be remotely connected to the cars with a drive by wire system; for safety....
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Alright I had to stay away from this thread. I DVR'ed the race and just finished watching it. I'm enjoying watching these races a lot more then I thought I would. I used to be a huge Nascar fan but have lost interest over the years. I think I'm enjoying F1 so much just because it's all so new to me. I still haven't figured out who I am rooting for. Correct me if I'm wrong but there is no drivers from the US?
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The idea of having a canopy would be interesting. Initially I didn't like the thought at all, but then I started thinking of it as an aertdynamic device.... it would probably change the whole look of the cars.
I just wish that the regulators would back off a bit to allow for more innovation. It could be a great thing.
I just wish that the regulators would back off a bit to allow for more innovation. It could be a great thing.
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Injuries like Massa and close calls like Alonso this weekend bring the issue to the forefront no matter how safe F1 is at this moment in time.
Do we truly loose something? With today's cars it will be pretty small in size. Has there been a opinion poll from the drivers?
I just wish that the regulators would back off a bit to allow for more innovation. It could be a great thing.
And on a side note: Alonso's first cart....
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Alright I had to stay away from this thread. I DVR'ed the race and just finished watching it. I'm enjoying watching these races a lot more then I thought I would. I used to be a huge Nascar fan but have lost interest over the years. I think I'm enjoying F1 so much just because it's all so new to me. I still haven't figured out who I am rooting for. Correct me if I'm wrong but there is no drivers from the US?
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Americans have been pretty sparse in F1 Matt. It's a tough deal, going country to country every week or two. And so seldom are F1 events in the US. It keeps an American away from his home and family for the better part of the year. Not to mention that there is an alien political aura around F1 that has been difficult for Americans to penetrate.
That and the fact that we have a pretty rich racing culture here for drivers to take part in.
10 of the best... American F1 drivers - F1 Fanatic
That and the fact that we have a pretty rich racing culture here for drivers to take part in.
10 of the best... American F1 drivers - F1 Fanatic
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As that technology progresses, no doubt those limitations will no doubt as well... but I would envisage that if they do allow all the drive by wire stuff it will be for performance reasons, not safety.Yeah, and that sucks if I am honest.
Drivers in Nascar can earn decent money (less than F1, but not significantly so), and they don't have to leave their home to do it, so that's where the majority of the decent drivers in the states end up.
I think if F1 was serious about making an impact in the US - building a US driver program where there is a solid pathway from American racing programs to F1 (like there is in Formula 2 etc.) would be the critical.
Even more aggressive would be for them to back a manufacturer to spend big dollars to poach Dale Earnhardt Jr (or someone similar) for a couple of years and put him in a decent car. He may not do well, but it would sure attract a bunch of US fans and start something.