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Old Jul 25, 2012 | 07:13 AM
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Vettel receives time penalty, demoted

Red Bull’s Sebastian Vettel has been handed a 20-second time penalty by the stewards in Germany for his pass on McLaren’s Jenson Button during the closing stages of Sunday’s race. Vettel had finished the Hockenheim event in second, but the addition of the penalty leaves him fifth in the results.

The stewards decided the German gained an advantage after leaving the track at the exit of the hairpin as he attempted to overtake Button on Lap 66.

As a result of Vettel’s penalty, Button is promoted to second in the results. Lotus’s Kimi Raikkonen moves up into third.
Interesting..... I can't remember if it looked forced but Button called him on it at the time.

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Old Jul 25, 2012 | 12:49 PM
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This is the first I have heard about the penalty. I was surprised at the time that he was not told to give the position back. The way I saw it, he clearly left the track to gain the position.
 
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Old Jul 26, 2012 | 06:54 AM
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'Engine mapping loophole closed'

Rules tightened following Red Bull furore at Sunday's German GP




The FIA are understood to have closed the engine-mapping loophole that Red Bull were perceived to have exploited in order to gain a performance advantage over their rivals.


Having been reported to the stewards by FIA technical delegate Joe Bauer on the morning of last Sunday's German GP, it was made transparent in the stewards' subsequent report that Red Bull had only escaped punishment because of the regulation's wording.
In his latest column for Sky Sports F1, Mark Hughes explained:
'Going by what the regulations were supposed to have meant, Red Bull had contravened them. Going by what they actually said, they had not. Reducing the torque demand at full throttle from one race to the next is very different from reducing the full-throttle torque demand of the engine on that day as a certain engine speed is reached.


'Red Bull chose to read the regulation in a way that meant the latter - and its map did not contra-vene that reading. The FIA meant torque demand relative to what the engine is ultimately capa-ble of. Red Bull chose it to mean torque demand relative to what that engine was capable of with that map on that day - and on those terms there was no reduction, and therefore no offence.'
However, it's now understood that, as expected, the governing body have issued a 'clarification' of Article 5.5.3 that will limit the changes a team can make to its engine torque map on a race-by-race basis.
The big question as yet unanswered is to what extent the closure will hinder Red Bull. One paddock insider has suggested to Sky Sports F1 that the 'ruse' may have been worth as much as two-tenths of a second per lap.
Sky Sports F1 HD's Ted Kravitz feels that the rule change will cost the team lap time, but says pushing the limits is what wins championships.
"I think it will cost them a few tenths of a second," Kravitz told Sky Sports News.
"I think the first thing to point out is that Red Bull were not cheating as such. They just found a big loophole in the regulations with regard to the engine map, and an engine map is just simply how an engine behaves throughout the race.
"They have taken the rules that were changed last year to mean something completely different to what other teams thought. The FIA, the sport's governing body, have managed to convince them that they should stick to the spirit of the regulations and by doing that they have changed the wording of the regulations.
"I must say it is in conjunction with Renault, who are Red Bull's engine suppliers, so Renault have to share some of the focus for this.
"But, they weren't doing anything covertly illegal - it was just an interesting interpretation of the rules shall we say.
"Red Bull and Adrian Newey are a team that push everything to the absolute limits and exploit every loophole they will get. And that is what the history books show in Formula 1 that to win races and to win Championships, it is only the teams that do that, that get the edge on the other teams."
An age old quest; Interpreting the rules as written....
 
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Old Jul 26, 2012 | 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted by OldStyle
An age old quest; Interpreting the rules as written....
...and then change the item and make them re-write the rules
 
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Old Jul 26, 2012 | 04:22 PM
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sauber in half

seat, front end, car,

fuel tank...a bit cheesy looking 2 million dollar car with vent hose that look like ...stuff I have had plugged into me at the hospital
 
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Old Jul 27, 2012 | 05:02 AM
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Those sliced pics are always amazing! I wonder what it feels like to be the person cutting them in half? It would be interesting to see the process with video....

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Old Jul 27, 2012 | 01:09 PM
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I really think that the FIA should just stay the hell out of engine mapping! Sheesh!!!


BTW, nice post Tim.
 
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Old Jul 27, 2012 | 07:30 PM
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Yea....BUTT...the idea of F1 is to push the limits and gain as many points as you can before they re-write the rules....don't ya love it


......and I did spell but correctly
 
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Old Jul 28, 2012 | 05:15 AM
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New way to get more F1; or at least new to me. Live Streaming on Speed.com. Watching Practice 3 before qualifying! No commentary just live video and the sound of F1.

Basically what you would see on TV during practice 2, timing & scoring, plus on-boards (w/team radio @times), only without announcers. Link: SPEED Streaming

Looks sunny so qualifying should be good to go!

There's many areas the FIA should stay out of! Leveling the playing field sucks. Maybe put a cap on the total $$$ teams can spend but let technology rule! Right now innovation must be within a book of rules? I mean this F1; the best of the best. Hummm.....
 
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Old Jul 28, 2012 | 06:50 AM
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Very cool now I can watch the Austin practice live.....

go red cars today
 
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Old Jul 28, 2012 | 10:42 AM
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I am afraid it is going to be a bad weekend for FA
 
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Old Jul 29, 2012 | 01:02 AM
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Could get interesting....
Fernando Alonso said he was happy enough with sixth place on the grid for the Hungarian Grand Prix but is hoping for rain in the race.
Red Bull have issued an unequivocal denial of reports that their car may have used a 'switch' to alter the RB8's ride-height.
Lewis Hamilton says all his focus is on ensuring his fightback in the championship battle starts in earnest on Sunday
McLaren admit they have not got on top of the demands of the Pirelli tyres in wet conditions. There is a good chance of rain during Sunday’s race
If Grosjean fights with Hamilton into turn 1 and Maldonado doesn't run over Alonso avoiding Vettel for the opening left by Button..... 6 hrs till we see the start so I won't speculate;

Edit: 4:30am pst 30mins to start coverage... Update on weather: Looks like it will stay off till after the race ends..... Ignore pics below.

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Old Jul 29, 2012 | 09:42 AM
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What a horrible race for Fernando and he still came away with gaining points on his competitors...he had 34 and now the lead to second is 40.....WOW..and 2nd through 5th is only single digits....

Pos Driver Points
1 Fernando Alonso 164
2 Mark Webber 124
3 Sebastian Vettel 122
4 Lewis Hamilton 117
5 Kimi Räikkönen 116
6 Nico Rosberg 77
7 Jenson Button 76
8 Romain Grosjean 76
 
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Old Jul 30, 2012 | 01:26 AM
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I am guessing that Ferrari gave up high speed for downforce expecting the rain to come down heavily.

Do you think that Lewis paid the forecasters for that report yesterday? Haha!

I sure would like to see poor old Masa get a podium soon. Next to Fernando of course.

 
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Old Jul 30, 2012 | 08:13 AM
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Plus 7 is better than none especially when, as Bruce believes, he was setup for rain conditions. The forecast they had at the time certainly showed rain on race day and Hamilton probably gambled it wouldn't; giving him advantage.

Except the opening lap and Kimi's pit exit it was a pretty boring event...

4 weeks till the next race weekend; dammmm!

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