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Old Apr 21, 2014 | 12:52 AM
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Gary! here you go!

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1972-1973-1974-DODGE-CHALLENGER-CHARGER-DART-POLARA-400-4V-AIR-CLEANER-LID-DECAL-/140940917556?pt=Motors_Manuals_Literature&hash=item20d0bbbb34&vxp=mtr
 
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Old Apr 21, 2014 | 06:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Gary Lewis
Sorry, Brad. Ships in the night. (I assume you use that phrase just as the Brit's do?)

Ok, everything painted - at least clear-coated if not a colour.

On the heads, I doubt anyone could see the Trick Flow on the ends. In fact, I'm not sure how much of the aluminum of the heads they can see, so maybe they could be blue.

I guess the brackets could be PC'd to look like bare metal, meaning that powder I used before. It would lighten things up a bit in there, but in a way it introduces yet another color.

But, I'm beginning to really like the 400HO idea on the air cleaner lid. That fits well with my theme. And do the valve covers in OFB with the tops natural aluminum. So, at first look people would think it is stock, but very clean. Then someone would say "Where did that air cleaner come from?" And someone else would say "I didn't realize they had a 400HO!" "Say, isn't that a later 3G alternator?" And "A fuse and relay box - did they have those in the 80's?" "Hey! Is that an aluminum intake?" "Wait! Those are aluminum heads!!" And the aluminum water pump will get completely overlooked.
Hi Gary, yes I'm well accustomed to passing like ships in the night

Continuing the naval theme, maybe I should have "warmed the bell"

I just wanted to reaffirm my dislike of the black air cleaner if the core of the colour scheme (the block) is blue. I really like how that blue and aluminium combo goes together, and that blue rocker cover really rocks!

You could get some custom blended aerosol cans made up to match that metallic powder coat, then you could paint those components that cannot be PC'd due to seals or material incompatibility.
You wouldn't want to PC any consumable or service replacement parts, like the water pump or fuel pump, paint only I think. You could leave the paint blend code as part of a "build sheet" or "spec sheet" for Dad, that way your kids or whoever is maintaining Dad can keep the look and the legacy.
 
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Old Apr 21, 2014 | 08:27 AM
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Matthew - Thanks, but that yells MOPAR. I'm wanting to use subtle Ford things, albeit from different years or models. Also, I doubt that decal would work as it goes on the "pie tin", which is a small aluminum disc in the center of the air cleaner so is much smaller in diameter than the large HO lid. But, thanks anyway.

Brad - I'm confused as to why I would paint items with seals the metallic "stamped steel" color. Wouldn't I want things like the aluminum water pump and fuel pump to be either clear-coated or OFB? I do understand the idea of PC'ing the brackets that might have been left raw by Ford with that powder to mimic the brand new look rather than go black. And, I'm sure there will be things that cannot be PC'd that should also be that color so understand the paint idea. But missed something on painting the engine components.

But, that reminds me that Eastwood have a paint that mimics the original look of steel very, very well. It doesn't really match that powder, which doesn't really mimic stamped steel, but the paint does an excellent job of matching stamped steel.

Anyway, you are voting for the engine, valve covers, and air cleaner base/snorkels to be blue. What about the heads, water pump, and intake?
 
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Old Apr 21, 2014 | 09:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Gary Lewis;

Brad - I'm confused as to why I would paint items with seals the metallic "stamped steel" color. Wouldn't I want things like the aluminum water pump and fuel pump to be either clear-coated or OFB? I do understand the idea of PC'ing the brackets that might have been left raw by Ford with that powder to mimic the brand new look rather than go black. And, I'm sure there will be things that cannot be PC'd that should also be that color so understand the paint idea. But missed something on painting the engine components.

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sorry Gary, I didn't make it clear, that idea was if you went with a uniform "stamped steel" colour instead of clear coating the various different appearing parts.[/B]

But, that reminds me that Eastwood have a paint that mimics the original look of steel very, very well. It doesn't really match that powder, which doesn't really mimic stamped steel, but the paint does an excellent job of matching stamped steel.

Anyway, you are voting for the engine, valve covers, and air cleaner base/snorkels to be blue. What about the heads, water pump, and intake?
I'm voting for engine, heads, valve covers and air cleaner base to be blue. Air cleaner lid, intake, water pump, pulleys and brackets to be "stamped steel"
Of course some groovy 400HO decals on the air leaner lid to top it off.

I'll also throw a vote in for the only black things to be air ducting, belts, hoses and electrical loom sheath/conduit. And for stainless bolt-up hose clamps and p clips.
 
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Old Apr 21, 2014 | 09:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Gary Lewis
The HO air cleaners just said "351HO" in black letters on the aluminum lid. And that would be a lot easier to replicate than one of those in the ebay advert - especially since none of those is applicable. There's a 400-2V but no 400-4V. But I don't think this engine is aptly described as a 4V. I think HO is a bit closer, albeit still somewhat shy of the mark.

Anyway, which decal were you thinking, Chris?
I got one (repro originally made by DC but resold by another entity) that says:

400 2V Regular Fuel

I think it was originally for a late-70s Ranchero... I found a fair number of 400 stickers out there but most specified unleaded gasoline, I didn't want that.

Wasn't about to try and ask somebody to custom-make a 400 HO sticker but I'll also buy a few if you find somebody willing to do the artwork and produce 'em, let me know....
 
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Old Apr 21, 2014 | 02:20 PM
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Brad - I think I understand. I wasn't going to clear-coat anything but the aluminum, like the water pump, intake, and heads. But I'll try to picture what you are suggesting and see where that takes me.

Chris - I was wrong about what the air cleaner lid said. Here's a pic that proves that. So, I'd just have to have someone make one that reads "6.6 Liter 4V H.O.", which I think does a pretty good job of describing this engine.




But I found this outfit that sells die-cut letters as in my picture and sent them this query:
Actually, I'm wondering if you can make one exactly like that but which reads "6.6 Liter 4V H.O." That's because I'm building a strong Ford 400 using the 351 HO air cleaner, albeit with dual snorkels, and want to use that decal or lettering on it.

And, I do have a few other guys on the Ford Truck Forum that are interested in them, so it wouldn't be completely a one-off.
 
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Old Apr 21, 2014 | 03:02 PM
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Cool.

If you get to talking to the guy and he seems he'd do it, ask about this variant, too:

DF0878 - osborn-reproduction.com
 
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Old Apr 21, 2014 | 03:09 PM
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Interesting. Do you know what it is from? I'm wondering if the lid it is from is smaller than the HO lid, meaning that one wouldn't fit on the HO lid.

And, why do you like it better? Just trying to see all sides.
 
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Old Apr 21, 2014 | 03:31 PM
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I just found it while scrolling through the list but I don't remember on which car/truck that configuration was used, only that it looks familiar for some reason Why do I like it? I dunno, just because.

I have a 351HO air cleaner assembly in my garage that I bought at a JY several years ago for some reason, I think I initially wanted the 1980/81/82(?) grille and found that there at the same time and took it because everything was still complete and unmolested and in good condition (remember those days? it's pretty dang hard to find much of anything 1980-86 anymore).
 
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Old Apr 21, 2014 | 03:42 PM
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When I built my engine (which came with one of those (rusty) chrome things the kids like) I got a (actually, two, the other is still in the garage) factory air cleaner from a 1970s sedan to use on it, I stripped it and painted it and then applied the sticker.

Am thinking of stripping it again and PC-ing it but am not sure how to deal with the foam/rubber seal on the underside of the cover; it's not in real good shape but I hate to scrape it out of there (it resides in a channel as I recall) without knowing what I'd replace it with, and I don't feel real comfortable baking it in a 400° oven. but maybe "someday" the right solution will present itself... if I ever do that, I'd maybe use a 400HO sticker.
 
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Old Apr 21, 2014 | 03:59 PM
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Or maybe a variant of this one from the 1970s (which reminds me of what my 1970 Mustang had)

DF0483 - osborn-reproduction.com
 
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Old Apr 21, 2014 | 04:04 PM
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That gasket won't survive the PC oven, and when it burns it'll ruin the PC finish on the rest of the top. But, a piece of vacuum hose cut to length and glued in the channel works well. Already done that one.
 
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Old Apr 21, 2014 | 06:15 PM
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Originally Posted by ctubutis
I got one (repro originally made by DC but resold by another entity) that says:

400 2V Regular Fuel

I think it was originally for a late-70s Ranchero... I found a fair number of 400 stickers out there but most specified unleaded gasoline, I didn't want that.

Wasn't about to try and ask somebody to custom-make a 400 HO sticker but I'll also buy a few if you find somebody willing to do the artwork and produce 'em, let me know....
Do you have a design in mind? I might be able to talk my mom out of a few, but I'm not sure if she still has access to a decal machine. Wouldn't mind a 300 style "400" text for mine.
 
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Old Apr 21, 2014 | 06:30 PM
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Did a bit more on the mock engine. First, I added some brackets that had already been PC'd and the A/C compressor that's clean and black. This picture is, obviously, a head-on shot:




Here's a closeup of the two bolts holding the A/C bracket to the water pump. One is PC'd satin black and the other has been bead-blasted natural. I could PC them with that Stamped Steel powder that Brad likes. And, I could PC those brackets with the same powder to cut down on the black. What'cha think?




And, the wider view shows that the A/C compressor and brackets really start to obscure the view.

 
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Old Apr 21, 2014 | 07:54 PM
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Even less of the block will be seen once the headers/manifold are installed. So I am thinking more blue somewhere.

Can you take a similar pic like the third one, but from the other side where the top of the blue v cover can be seen. Try the same angle like you did in #3 as if you were looking down in the engine compartment.
 
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